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JRutledge Tue Jan 13, 2004 05:00pm

This should be corrected now. Sorry guys!!!
 
Just wanted to pass this along.


http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/566162.html

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Jan 13th, 2004 at 04:44 PM]

MN 3 Sport Ref Tue Jan 13, 2004 05:15pm

Rut:

We can't link to the article unless we have AOL. Do you have the direct link?

Snake~eyes Tue Jan 13, 2004 05:17pm

I agree

We're sorry! That page can only be viewed on AOL's service.

JRutledge Tue Jan 13, 2004 05:46pm

Check now.
 
I am sorry, I cut and pasted the wrong url. My bad. It was not an AOL story. I did not notice the mistake. Now it should be corrected.

Peace

Snake~eyes Tue Jan 13, 2004 05:46pm

Wow, just great. He should be fired.

DownTownTonyBrown Tue Jan 13, 2004 05:59pm

absolutely inexcusable.

11-year olds learning from the worst

Give him a prisoner uniform and make him sweep the floors before each of his son's games.

Would that be cruel and unusual or could that be classified as community service?

The man is definitely deserving of penalty/punishment.... Loss of his coaching position would be a start.

Adam Tue Jan 13, 2004 06:12pm

"since he was at the game as a parent...." blah blah blah. Doesn't matter. He's representing the school at all times. This guy should at least lose his coaching job.

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 13, 2004 07:12pm

You don't really want to know what I'd like to see happen to this "teacher".

BTW - in my state (Oregon), assaulting a sports official is a Class A misdemeanor and will be prosecuted. Penalty is fine and/or imprisonment.

Snake~eyes Tue Jan 13, 2004 07:41pm

My state has the same thing, or is pushing for it atleast, last time I talked to a delegate he said he was pushing for it and he says that many states already have these type of rules. ;)

Hawks Coach Tue Jan 13, 2004 08:18pm

How you act at an athletic contest as a coach is always relevant. It should not matter that you lost total control when acting in the capacity of a parent. It is unacceptable conduct regardless.

We had a peeping tom school teacher and the school system didn't care that the activity occurred when he wasn't at school. Can't have him around kids. while this is less severe, it seems that the same is true. I'm not sure I would say that he should be fired from the school system, but he should definitely be suspended from coaching.

ref18 Tue Jan 13, 2004 08:30pm

Quote:

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
absolutely inexcusable.

11-year olds learning from the worst

Give him a prisoner uniform and make him sweep the floors before each of his son's games.

Would that be cruel and unusual or could that be classified as community service?

Loss of his coaching position would be a start.

That hardly sounds cruel, and if you give enough people the punishent, it won't be unusual any more.

Axe Man Tue Jan 13, 2004 09:40pm

The superintendent of Adair County Schools, Darryl Trease, says that since Shelton was at the game as a parent and not as a school he is not being suspended at this time.

So...under this line of thinking by the superintendent, Shelton gets arrested at his home for possession of illegal drugs, he wouldn't be suspended because he was at home as a parent not as a teacher. Time to load up the family and get tho this school system as quickly as possible. Oh the lessons that the children could learn...

WinterWillie Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:22pm

Assaulting
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Axe Man
The superintendent of Adair County Schools, Darryl Trease, says that since Shelton was at the game as a parent and not as a school he is not being suspended at this time.

So...under this line of thinking by the superintendent, Shelton gets arrested at his home for possession of illegal drugs, he wouldn't be suspended because he was at home as a parent not as a teacher. Time to load up the family and get tho this school system as quickly as possible. Oh the lessons that the children could learn...

According to a national publication, there are three sports officials assaulted everyday in the USA. :(






















oc Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:12pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
Quote:

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
absolutely inexcusable.

11-year olds learning from the worst

Give him a prisoner uniform and make him sweep the floors before each of his son's games.

Would that be cruel and unusual or could that be classified as community service?

Loss of his coaching position would be a start.

That hardly sounds cruel, and if you give enough people the punishent, it won't be unusual any more.


It's cruel to the kid. (I don't care about the father). I was shocked he wasn't being punished either-but was happy to see the last line "Trease did say that the school board is looking into the incident."

Snake~eyes Wed Jan 14, 2004 01:38am

Quote:

Originally posted by oc
It's cruel to the kid. (I don't care about the father). I was shocked he wasn't being punished either-but was happy to see the last line "Trease did say that the school board is looking into the incident."

Sounds like a CYA statement to me. :(

sleebo Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:18am

This can be tied in with another thread on this forum- the one concerning calling walking violations, etc. in youth games. Here's my point: we are ambassadors of the game and sometimes we have to serve in an educational capacity and uphold the integrity of the game and athletics in general. Although incidents like this one are scary to think about, we still have to be vigilant in showing players what sportsmanship is all about.

Hawks Coach Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:50am

Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by oc
It's cruel to the kid. (I don't care about the father). I was shocked he wasn't being punished either-but was happy to see the last line "Trease did say that the school board is looking into the incident."

Sounds like a CYA statement to me. :(

There are always labor unions involved in teacher issues. This may end up resulting in a suspension - until they decide what course to take, it really is too early to judge the school system. If they take an early action without good legal advice and sufficient investigation/ documentation, they could have it easily overturned and never be allowed to suspend this person.

rockyroad Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:01am

So we all agree that this dad is a class-A jerk, and should not be allowed to coach anymore - but lose his teaching job??? Come on...if the guy was a firefighter or a sales rep would we be saying he should lose that job? His district will (almost assuredly) remove him from any coaching duties for a period of time - but as Hawks Coach said, it will take some looking into...and the legal system will run it's course - but take away his career?? I'm not sold on that just yet...

Adam Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:11am

Let me ask this. What would happen to a teacher who, outside the realm of school activities, was convicted of a misdemeanor assault? Let's say, for example, he gets a little road rage and assaults another driver. Is his teaching career affected?
Remember, he's an example to the students, he's a role model. If this guy can't control his temper better than that, how can he teach the kids to become productive adults?

rockyroad Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:15am

Actually, he probably wouldn't be affected very much by a misdemeanor...felony assault (or any felony) absolutely gone, but not a misdemeanor...and don't get me wrong - I am a teacher and hold myself and my colleagues to extremely high standards - I would tell this dad (if he taught at my school) exactly what I thought of his actions, and encourage him to find work in another school/district...but the district does not have the power to just fire the guy for this incident...

reffish Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:53pm

How did the official allow the game to get to a point where a hockey game broke out? I read articles like this and shame on the parent for his actions, but I am reminded to make sure I keep my game management skills honed and ready all the time. If we work harder as officials to keep the game under control, we can avoid beat downs in the game and of us.

Adam Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:54pm

Not always, Reffish.

Hawks Coach Wed Jan 14, 2004 04:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by reffish
How did the official allow the game to get to a point where a hockey game broke out? I read articles like this and shame on the parent for his actions, but I am reminded to make sure I keep my game management skills honed and ready all the time. If we work harder as officials to keep the game under control, we can avoid beat downs in the game and of us.
There are a lot of ranges of gym situations, and refs are not necessarily going to be able to handle all of this. First question is whether or not there is sufficient game mangament outside the officials. Frequently, outside of school games, there is not.

If there is insufficient game management, you have a ref who has to manage the floor and the crowd, a difficult proposition. This implies that the ref must monitor the crowd temperament and attempt to prevent a major incident while reffing the game.

Refs interact with players and coaches and, to a degree, can prevent problems with these individuals. And even so, individuals can be unpredictable and assault a ref despite appropriate game managment. On the other hand, refs should not be interacting with the crowd or trying to manage the crowd. So it is even more possible for an irrantional fan with no game managment present to wind up assaulting a ref, and I would be hard-pressed to say it was in any way attributable to the ref's actions or inactions.


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