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ChuckElias Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:15pm

Had my local association board meeting this morning. My job is to present oddball situations for discussion. I talked about funky shot-clock situations, and then as a separate issue, I used the scenario that we discussed here in which the clock was improperly started with 2.4 seconds left in the game and the horn sounds as the player catches it in the frontcourt.

Discussion was very lively :) and afterwards I got lots of thumbs-ups on bringing an interesting segment to the meeting. So, thanks to everyone who contributed to that conversation. It was very helpful to me today!

Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:22pm

Well?

How did your guys think that it should be handled, Chuck?

BktBallRef Sun Jan 11, 2004 02:05pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Well?

How did your guys think that it should be handled, Chuck?

You should change your username to "The Instigator."

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 11th, 2004 at 01:25 PM]

oatmealqueen Sun Jan 11, 2004 02:15pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Well?

How did your guys think that it should be handled, Chuck?



Chuck,
Plead the 5th, please! ;)

Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 11, 2004 02:39pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Well?

How did your guys think that it should be handled, Chuck?

You should change your username to "The Instigator."


Believe it or not, I honestly wanted to know. Never once thought of instigating at all. I was just wondering if they had any different views that the ones that were put forth in that thread. Honest!

The last thing in the world that I wanted was to bring that mother back to life.

just another ref Sun Jan 11, 2004 04:13pm

Chuck and his guys couldn't agree on a solution, so they decided to post the situation on a discussion board to try and resolve the problem. Suggestion: http://www.gmcgriff.com

ChuckElias Sun Jan 11, 2004 09:04pm

The views were basically the same as were espoused here:

1) Give A the ball at the spot nearest to where it was caught. Since you don't have definite knowledge of exactly how much time should've run off, you put the full 2.4 seconds back on the clock.

2) Give A the ball at the spot nearest to where it was caught. Take some time off the clock.

3) Do over.

Our interpreter's solution was #2, with one second taken off the clock. His reasoning was that the player caught a live ball and that can't be disregarded, so you must give the ball back to A where he caught it. But some time MUST come off, since the ball was touched inbounds. Since the clock must start and you don't know how fast the timer would be able to start and stop the clock, you allow exactly one second of start/stop time, using the "lag time" principles.

I don't agree completley with the reasoning, but it's probably the easiest thing to explain to the coaches, and it's a pretty reasonable compromise.

Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:41pm

Hopefully the FED will put a case play out on this one, so we don't have to go through the same argument again next year.


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