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Jurassic Referee · #16 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 04:01pm

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There's no concensus on this;

However, as Bob pointed out on the McGriff board, this year's FED rulebook made an unannounced change to 9-2 PENALTY 3. It now reads that it's a technical foul to touch the ball on the OOB side of the plane "while in possession of the thrower" or while it's being passed between OOB teammates.

This change makes the more popular interpretation (viz., there's no infraction once the throw-in pass has been released) also the more likely.

This unannounced rule change does, however, end the debate....it is nothing for the defense to touch the ball on the OOB side of the line once the throw-in pass is release.

How does it end the debate,Camron?

R9-2-3Penalty3 does not refer in any way to a throw-in that has been released towards the court. It only refers to a player holding the ball OOB, or a player passing the ball along the end line OOB to another player. That passing play is not a throw-in pass. A released throw-in towards the court is not mentioned at all.

ChuckElias · #17 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 04:43pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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this year's FED rulebook made an unannounced change to 9-2 PENALTY 3. It now reads that it's a technical foul to touch the ball on the OOB side of the plane "while in possession of the thrower" or while it's being passed between OOB teammates.

This change makes the more popular interpretation (viz., there's no infraction once the throw-in pass has been released) also the more likely.

This unannounced rule change does, however, end the debate....

How does it end the debate,Camron? R9-2-3Penalty3 does not refer in any way to a throw-in that has been released towards the court.

No, JR, but it does seem to clarify that the T is for touching the ball in those two circumstances. So if the ball is not in one of those circumstances, it seems to say that it's not a T to touch it.

Jurassic Referee · #18 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 05:01pm

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No, JR, but it does seem to clarify that the T is for touching the ball in those two circumstances. So if the ball is not in one of those circumstances, it seems to say that it's not a T to touch it. [/B][/QUOTE]And other posters say that it doesn't seem to cover a throw-in though, because R9-2-2 covers that. The language is ambiguous, Chuck. That's why this has been debated on and off for months now.

Personally, you can put me down as opposing whatever side you happen to take. Nothing personal, but you're a BoSox fan. That means that you really don't have much of a chance of ending up on the winner's side of anything.

Camron Rust · #19 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 05:27pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
There's no concensus on this;

However, as Bob pointed out on the McGriff board, this year's FED rulebook made an unannounced change to 9-2 PENALTY 3. It now reads that it's a technical foul to touch the ball on the OOB side of the plane "while in possession of the thrower" or while it's being passed between OOB teammates.

This change makes the more popular interpretation (viz., there's no infraction once the throw-in pass has been released) also the more likely.

This unannounced rule change does, however, end the debate....it is nothing for the defense to touch the ball on the OOB side of the line once the throw-in pass is release.

How does it end the debate,Camron? R9-2-3Penalty3 does not refer in any way to a throw-in that has been released towards the court. It only refers to a player holding the ball OOB, or a player passing the ball along the end line OOB to another player. That passing play is not a throw-in pass. A released throw-in towards the court is not mentioned at all.

Precisely. It now declares that the T is for touching the ball when being passed outside the endline and when being held by the thrower. Before it said it was a T for touching the ball across the line (without the qualification about it being held or not). Even though I was on the other side and still think it is the "fair" thing to do, the rule clearly no longer prohibits it since it explicitly states "while being held" (paraphrase).

mdray · #20 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 11:30am

I'd like to see a casebook play...A1 has the ball for a throw-in on the endline. He/she backs up 10 feet to heave a pass. The ball is released for the throw-in and the defender (keeping his/her feet totally inbounds) intercepts the throw-in before the ball crosses the boundary-line plane. In high school ball, are we allowing that or not??? Can we reach any kind of consensus here?

bob jenkins · #21 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 01:14pm

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Can we reach any kind of consensus here?

We haven't reached any consensus the last umpteen times we've discussed it.

Camron Rust · #22 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 04:12pm

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Can we reach any kind of consensus here?

We haven't reached any consensus the last umpteen times we've discussed it.

True, but 9-2-P3 has now been changed. I, who was on the side of it being a T for touching the ball before it crossed the line, have accepted that the rule as now written does not support that view (whether I like it or not).

Since it is clearly not prohibited in the rules now, it must be legal.

I think we are, considering this rule change, much closer to a consensus now.