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Jeff the Ref Mon Dec 01, 2003 04:40pm

Hi everyone,

I had a vet official tell me last night the you should use a traveling signal to indicate a throw-in violation for leaving the designated spot has occurred. I have always just verbalized the violation. Who's correct?

mick Mon Dec 01, 2003 04:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff the Ref
Hi everyone,

I had a vet official tell me last night the you should use a traveling signal to indicate a throw-in violation for leaving the designated spot has occurred. I have always just verbalized the violation. Who's correct?

Jeff the Ref,
I just wave the line for any throw-in violation.
mick

Adam Mon Dec 01, 2003 04:51pm

Do not use the traveling signal. It only perpetuates the misconception that they must keep a pivot foot on a throw in. If they think you called traveling, they'll throw a fit when you don't call it on the other team when the kid jumps up and doesn't throw the ball. Just unnecessary grief. Just call it a violation and give a short explanation such as, "Spot violation, coach," if necessary.
Adam

DownTownTonyBrown Mon Dec 01, 2003 06:13pm

Wrongo
 
The traveling signal for a throw-in violation is incorrect.

Just sound your whistle. Pop your hand up a little higher (the one with which you are chopping time in) and verbalize the problem.

Traveling is definitely the wrong call.

Ref3 Mon Dec 01, 2003 06:40pm

Wisconsin's signal is to point from the designated spot to the spot where they moved. Kind of like over-and-back. Meanwhile saying something like "designated spot violation". Travelling is defintely wrong.

Rich Mon Dec 01, 2003 06:50pm

Wisconsin doesn't have a special signal. Wisconsin uses NF mechanics and NF rules.

Rich

Camron Rust Mon Dec 01, 2003 07:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff the Ref
Hi everyone,

I had a vet official tell me last night the you should use a traveling signal to indicate a throw-in violation for leaving the designated spot has occurred. I have always just verbalized the violation. Who's correct?

The NF has a defined signal for this. It's to raise the hand for a violation, then point to the designated spot with the index finger, then sweep that pointed finger away from that spot (towards where the player moved).

As others have said, traveling is completely wrong. It would be like giving an illegal dribble signal when the FT shooter steps over the line after dribbling repeatedly with both hands. It communicates the wrong thing.

WinterWillie Mon Dec 01, 2003 07:54pm

You can never travel on a throw in!!!!! All travel rules are suspended during a throw in!!!!!

rainmaker Mon Dec 01, 2003 08:00pm

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Originally posted by WinterWillie
You can never travel on a throw in!!!!!
True.

Quote:

Originally posted by WinterWillie
All travel rules are suspended during a throw in!!!!!
Technically, false... because, on a throw-in, there are no travel rules to be suspended. Travel rules only apply to a live ball being handled in-bounds. I know that's what you meant, but I think the wording does make a big difference.

Mark Dexter Mon Dec 01, 2003 08:03pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by WinterWillie
You can never travel on a throw in!!!!!
True.

Quote:

Originally posted by WinterWillie
All travel rules are suspended during a throw in!!!!!
Technically, false... because, on a throw-in, there are no travel rules to be suspended. Travel rules only apply to a live ball being handled in-bounds. I know that's what you meant, but I think the wording does make a big difference.


I'd say technically true - Basketball Rules Fundamental #5.

WinterWillie Mon Dec 01, 2003 09:55pm

I believe the man said he was advised by his partner to signal a traveling violation on the throw in.

WinterWillie Tue Dec 02, 2003 08:51am

Point of Information: Although the offensive player is limited from moving sideways on a designated spot throw in, he/she may move backwards as far as possible without being penalized for a violation of a designated spot throw in.


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