Offense has the ball in front court. A bad pass is made and it is headed toward back court. A1 tries to save it and jumps from front court to throw it to A2. She does not touch back court but when she attempts to throw it to A2 who is in front court. The ball touches back court and then bounces back into front court where A2 picks up the ball. The defense never touched the ball at any time. Is this a back court violation?

Did the ball obtain back court status? YES. Did Team B touch the ball before back court status was obtained? NO. Was Team A the first to touch the ball after it obtained back court status? YES.

Therefore, you have a back court violation.

I agree, but would suggest a 4-point "checklist" that I learned on this board long ago to look at BC situations:

1) A has team control
2) Ball attaints front court status
3) A is the last to touch the ball before it attains back court status
4) A is the first to touch the ball after it attains back court status

I remember this in abbreviated version as "control, FC, last touch, first touch."

Incidentally, the new A.R. 19 in Rull 9-11 of this year's NCAA book almost exactly matches the original poster's situation.

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I'm not sure of the applicability of those four requirements. As I understand them they are for a player with BC status that touches the ball....

In this case: Player A1 jumps from FC, touches ball (both A1 and ball still have FC status), ball bounces in BC (ball now has BC status), and then is caught by A2 in FC. Violation?

What if the ball bounces in the BC and then once more in the FC (now has FC status) before being reteived by A2? Violation?

The applicable rule 9-9-1 reads:
Be the first to touch a ball after it has been in team control in the FC, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the FC before it went to the BC.

I'm gonna say no violation in either the single or double bounce scenarios.

There is no violation when A1 touches the ball. Is there a violation when the ball touches the BC? I don't see a rule that says "Yes." Is there a violation when A2 touches the ball? I say no because when A2 touches the ball it now has FC status again. But I'm still not certain because of that 'when A2 touches the ball' question.

How about this ....

Is it a violation if A1 stands in his FC and bounces the ball with spin such that it bounces in the BC and then returns to him in the FC?

If this is a violation then likely the original scenario is also a violation... the double bounce probably not because the ball regains FC status before being touched.

I underlined the word before in the above rule quote because it seems to be the operative or determining factor. If it is, then perhaps none of these are BC violations.

Tony, give us a solid answer.

[Edited by DownTownTonyBrown on Nov 19th, 2003 at 05:33 PM]

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Just to show off a little, I'm gonna predict that BktBallRef Tony will say BC violation. So would Padgett. He's the real BC maven.

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BC I believe;
"A" was the first to touch the ball that had gone to the BC after:
1)"A" had been in team control in the FC

2)the ball was last touched by a teammate in the FC before it went to the BC

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Wow. Thanks a lot Juulie.

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It is indeed a BC violation.

1) The ball has attained FC status.
2) Team A has team control.
3) Team A is the last to touch the ball before it goes into the BC.
4) Team A is the first to touch the ball after it's been in the BC.

These criteria apply to all possible BC situations, not just situations where the player in questionn is in the BC.

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Yes.

Yes.


Yes (unless A1 is dribbling and has not yet gotten all 3 points in the frontcourt).

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Wow, thanks a lot, Tony!

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Went completely over your head, didn't it? :rolleyes:

DTTB
If you don't like the answer for this situation, think about the spinning bounce pass, either direction.

A1 in bc, bounces pass into fc, it spins back to A2 in bc - violation.

A1 in fc, spins pass into bc to get around the defender that trapped her at the centerline, ball spins back to A2 in fc - violation.

In each case, the four points were met. The points have more to do with the ball and its location rather than the players and their location.

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Well....

I don't know where it went, but I sure didn't see it. You guys are too subtle for me -- I need infantile, like Peter Sellers.

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Peter Sellers, eh? Which do you prefer:

"Birdy num-num" Peter Sellers?
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Peter Sellers or
"I like to watch" Peter Sellers?

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Definitely too mature for me!!

I like the "minky", though.

And the revolving door. And the telephone repairman.

Love it!
 

"How can a blind man be a look-out?" (Clouseau)

"How can an idiot become a police officer?" (Dreyfuss)

"You simply go to the station and enlist." (Clouseau)

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Everybody knows the Pink Panther movies, and everybody says how great he was in multiple roles in "Dr. Strangelove" (and he was), but I think "Being There" is one of the best, understated, funniest (while also sad), most under-rated movies ever. The humor is so dry, but Sellers is freaking hysterical (the outtake at the end is priceless). And the best part of the above line is that Shirley MacLaine decides that she will be bold and "perform" for him so he can watch; but as always, he only watches the TV. Classic.

Also one of his last films, I think.

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I knew I could count on you!

OK, where's the first quote from? Early 60's, it has some of the funniest sight gags & slapstick ever put on film.

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I had assumed that it was a Pink Panther movie, like when the bird gets sucked into the vaccuum or something. But no, it's "The Party", 1968. I never saw it. I only got the answer by checking imdb.com . I guess it's on my "to do" list!

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Worth a trip to Blockbusters, that's fersure.

Okay so now that the love fest is winding down, can I please get someone to explain the joke I missed? It's not that I care if I look dumb, but I need a good laugh about now...

Juulie, Tony's initial "thank you" was less than sincere, but you said that Mark P was the real backcourt maven of the forum. ;)

Heck, is that all? I KNEW that! Maybe I'm not as dumb as I look. I was really just trying to rustle Mark into the discussion, but he didn't bite. Oh, well. I guess I need to find some Pink Panther to cheer me up a little....

I've got another scenario. My son was playing the other night and was dribbling in the FC. He momentarily lost control of the ball which headed for the BC but never crossed. His back leg did. This isn't a BC violation, is it? The ref said part of his body crossed so it was.

If he was dribbling the ball went his leg went into the BC, then yes, it was a violation.



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Thanks for explaining, Chuck.

Just read in the newspaper that Steve Martin is going to play Inspector Cloussea in a new pink panther movie (for what its worth)

Just read in the newspaper that Steve Martin is going to play Inspector Cloussea in a new pink panther movie (for what its worth)

Just read in the newspaper that Steve Martin is going to play Inspector Cloussea in a new pink panther movie (for what its worth)

sorry about that we lost our internet for a few minutes and I did not realize it went through. It really was not that exciting to read three times.

Is it going to be a trilogy? :)

Hmmm, I just tried to post, and it didn't take. Weird. Just seeing if this one posts. . .

How odd. It did post -- onto page 3. But there's no link for page 3. What's going on? :confused: