I'm new to this board and have a question.
Situation: Last night I was officiating a jr high boys game and had a situation where one guard for one of the teams was using his forarm to keep the opponent from attacking his dribble. He never pushed off with the forearm but I saw it as an advantage for the offense so I called a player control foul on the dribbler? Was I correct in doing so? I know It is in the rule book somewhere but I can't seem to find it.
Thanks.

If the forearm extends or is extended from the body, I think you can make a case for PC. If the forearm is not extended and can be perceived as in a normal position, I've got nothing. (check 10-6-1)

Welcome to the board!! Although, I'm not really sure we need another psycho around here :)

If there's no contact, I don't think you can make a case for the PC. Indy-ref mentions "extending" as noted in 10-6-1; but in that rule, it says that you can't "impede" an opponent by extending. If there's no contact, then the dribbler really hasn't impeded the defender.

Bottom line is that you must have contact to call a personal foul. So to answer your question directly, I don't think that you were correct to call the PC foul.

In the past, what I have done in a JH game, was that I mentioned to the coach that if the extended arm made contact, there might be a foul. Coach was grateful for the info and immediately coached her point guard on not "leading" with the arm. That might not be appropriate in every JH game, but it worked for me that night.

I hope you're not losing sleep about the call, but it's good that you found the forum. Have a great season.

Speaking of that, JR's been scarce lately.

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Quote: He never pushed off with the forearm but I saw it as an advantage for the offense so I called a player control foul on the dribbler? Was I correct in doing so? If there's no contact, I don't think you can make a case for the PC. Indy-ref mentions "extending" as noted in 10-6-1; but in that rule, it says that you can't "impede" an opponent by extending. If there's no contact, then the dribbler really hasn't impeded the defender. Bottom line is that you must have contact to call a personal foul. So to answer your question directly, I don't think that you were correct to call the PC foul. In the past, what I have done in a JH game, was that I mentioned to the coach that if the extended arm made contact, there might be a foul. Coach was grateful for the info and immediately coached her point guard on not "leading" with the arm. That might not be appropriate in every JH game, but it worked for me that night. I hope you're not losing sleep about the call, but it's good that you found the forum. Have a great season.

As in most things concerning basketball I agree with Chuck. Baseball, on the other hand...

btw, I'll add that this move & "the hug" by defenders seem pretty common at the jh level. Just tell them to stop.

Really? ;)

RD

Thanks for all responses. There was contact made between the dribbler and the defender but the dribbler did not use the arm to push the defender away, he just held it there as a barrier. He had one it before but there was no contact so I let it go then.

Really. (See the definition of "personal foul", 4-19-1.) Are you thinking of a personal foul that does not involve contact?

Well, I actually called one in a scrimmage the other night... :o

Still shaking the rust off...wasn't there a new rule last year that stated we don't have to call non-contact swinging elbows technical fouls anymore?...we can just call them personal fouls?

RD

[Edited by RookieDude on Nov 14th, 2003 at 10:08 AM]

Violations, not fouls. It's in rule 9.

Oh, I can just hear Edgar's response now. . . :D

Sheesh...really gotta get my b-ball hat back on...thanks!;)

RD

We're all doing it now ;)

Cartoto?

That would be a foul if it stopped the defender from getting to the ball.

Welcome to this board.

You will get a lot of opinions and usually the correct answer to your questions. It will not take long before you know whose opinions are most valid. I found it interesting to find that after last season I didn't get on the site until a few days ago and had to re-register as a new member. Maybe someone out there can tell me what the rules are about participation.
BTW where is that other "psycho"( ie JR) - has he been banned finally??
( maybe I can get him to surface)

As for your question - no contact = no personal foul.

But Chuck, the fans ask, what about that illegal screen!!?!?!?


:p

What about the illegal screen? Same- same -no contact ,no foul.

But it's a moving screen!!! Whaddyamean - no foul? :confused:

The "Phantom Foul" is known by many names...
 

Also known as the "Reaching" foul.

No contact,no foul. :D

Speaking of that, JR's been scarce lately.



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I'm back.

Wow, have we been missing you?!?

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No, silly girl, we have to walk. Geeze, it's a long way to the Emerald City.

My favorite pyscho came from that tv classic series "Pycho Dad"! Yup, the man was a hero to both Al Bundy and myself. We were his greatest fans!

Ban JR? Go google "Gottdammerung", and you'll find out what will happen!

Not quite down off the drugs yet??

Not quite down off the drugs yet?? [/B][/QUOTE]Don't matter. I'm on a natural high,anyway! Only a lobotomy could have fixed that! :D