Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 1055169)

SITUATION 5 (Inadvertent Whistle): During a designated-spot throw-in by Team A in its frontcourt, the covering official inadvertently blows the whistle before the throw-in is: (a) completed (legally touched by another player inbounds) (b) controlled by a player on the court after it was deflected by B1. In (a), the ball is returned to Team A for a throw-in at the original designated spot using the point of interruption (POI) procedure. If, instead of an inadvertent whistle, the stoppage had resulted from another POI situation — such as a double foul or simultaneous foul during the throw-in — the same ruling would apply. Team A would retain the ball for a throw-in from the original throw-in spot. In (b), Team A maintains control of the ball and will be awarded a throw-in at one of the four designated spots nearest where the ball was located when the inadvertent whistle occurred. If, instead of an inadvertent whistle, the stoppage had resulted from another POI situation — such as a double foul or simultaneous foul— the same ruling would apply. RULING: Correct procedure. COMMENT: In any situation where play is interrupted without clear team control — whether by inadvertent whistle, double foul or simultaneous foul — officials return the ball to the team that was in control at the point of interruption. On a throwin, team control begins at disposal and continues until there is player control by either team on the court. Therefore, Team A maintains its throw-in privilege in each of these scenarios. (4-36-1; 4-36- 2a, b; 7-5-2)

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 1055169)

This situation from 25-26 interpretations says to return ball to original throw in spot.

SITUATION 5 (Inadvertent Whistle): During a designated-spot throw-in by Team A in its frontcourt, the covering official inadvertently blows the whistle before the throw-in is: (a) completed (legally touched by another player inbounds) (b) controlled by a player on the court after it was deflected by B1. In (a), the ball is returned to Team A for a throw-in at the original designated spot using the point of interruption (POI) procedure. If, instead of an inadvertent whistle, the stoppage had resulted from another POI situation — such as a double foul or simultaneous foul during the throw-in — the same ruling would apply. Team A would retain the ball for a throw-in from the original throw-in spot. In (b), Team A maintains control of the ball and will be awarded a throw-in at one of the four designated spots nearest where the ball was located when the inadvertent whistle occurred. If, instead of an inadvertent whistle, the stoppage had resulted from another POI situation — such as a double foul or simultaneous foul— the same ruling would apply. RULING: Correct procedure. COMMENT: In any situation where play is interrupted without clear team control — whether by inadvertent whistle, double foul or simultaneous foul — officials return the ball to the team that was in control at the point of interruption. On a throwin, team control begins at disposal and continues until there is player control by either team on the court. Therefore, Team A maintains its throw-in privilege in each of these scenarios. (4-36-1; 4-36- 2a, b; 7-5-2)

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1055172)

There is clearly team control by the throwing team. Poor choice of words that only confuses the situation and correct ruling.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1055166)

There are NO! Let me repeat myself: There are NO! 'do overs' in NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Basketball Rules! End of the discussion!

This topic has been discussed ad nauseum many times in this Forum and an Advanced Search for this topic and my name will bring up every one of these discussions some of which are almost twenty years old.

MTD, Sr.

P.S.: This is not the Men's Basketball Gold Medal Game in the 1972 Summer Olympiad!

P.P.S.: Tim Cloughery is the son of Youngstown State University alum and retired ACC Coordinator of Men's Basketball Officials, John Clougherty. Go Penguins!!

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 1055169)

This situation from 25-26 interpretations says to return ball to original throw in spot.

SITUATION 5 (Inadvertent Whistle): During a designated-spot throw-in by Team A in its frontcourt, the covering official inadvertently blows the whistle before the throw-in is: (a) completed (legally touched by another player inbounds) (b) controlled by a player on the court after it was deflected by B1. In (a), the ball is returned to Team A for a throw-in at the original designated spot using the point of interruption (POI) procedure. If, instead of an inadvertent whistle, the stoppage had resulted from another POI situation — such as a double foul or simultaneous foul during the throw-in — the same ruling would apply. Team A would retain the ball for a throw-in from the original throw-in spot. In (b), Team A maintains control of the ball and will be awarded a throw-in at one of the four designated spots nearest where the ball was located when the inadvertent whistle occurred. If, instead of an inadvertent whistle, the stoppage had resulted from another POI situation — such as a double foul or simultaneous foul— the same ruling would apply. RULING: Correct procedure. COMMENT: In any situation where play is interrupted without clear team control — whether by inadvertent whistle, double foul or simultaneous foul — officials return the ball to the team that was in control at the point of interruption. On a throwin, team control begins at disposal and continues until there is player control by either team on the court. Therefore, Team A maintains its throw-in privilege in each of these scenarios. (4-36-1; 4-36- 2a, b; 7-5-2)

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1055172)

Huh? Who wrote that? There is clearly team control by the throwing team. Poor choice of words that only confuses the situation and correct ruling.

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 1055176)

Here's another new case play, totally disagree with not taking at least .03 off the clock.

4.12.2 SITUATION C: With 3.9 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, A1's throw-in pass is deflected into the air by B1. While the ball is in the air, an official inadvertently sounds their whistle. After the whistle, the game clock still shows 3.9 seconds remaining in the quarter. RULING: The clock shall remain at 3.9 seconds, with Team A awarded a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was deflected by B1. While the ball remains live, a loose ball always remains in control of the team whose player last had control. Team A maintained control, and it will be awarded a throw-in nearest to where the ball last was in contact with a player on the court when the whistle sounded. The officials would not have rule support to take time off the clock as no player on the court ever gained control of the ball (4-12-4, 4-36-2a, 4-42-5a).

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1055177)

... officials should always have a count to justify it).

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1055179)

Except in 2009-10 Basketball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 11 (see above post).

Only situation that I'm aware of where a "guesstimate" (not definite knowledge) is allowed.

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 1055176)

Here's another new case play, totally disagree with not taking at least .03 off the clock.

4.12.2 SITUATION C: With 3.9 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, A1's throw-in pass is deflected into the air by B1. While the ball is in the air, an official inadvertently sounds their whistle. After the whistle, the game clock still shows 3.9 seconds remaining in the quarter. RULING: The clock shall remain at 3.9 seconds, with Team A awarded a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was deflected by B1. While the ball remains live, a loose ball always remains in control of the team whose player last had control. Team A maintained control, and it will be awarded a throw-in nearest to where the ball last was in contact with a player on the court when the whistle sounded. The officials would not have rule support to take time off the clock as no player on the court ever gained control of the ball (4-12-4, 4-36-2a, 4-42-5a).

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1055181)

Actually, Team A should be awarded a throw-in at the nearest of the eight designated spots to where the Team B player touched the ball.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1055182)

Another eight spots, or closest spot, decision.

I know that most of you guys feel really comfortable with this two year old rule, but I really hate it.

I easily adjusted to the new three point arc (instead of the rocket ship trapezoid) this year (I can actually see the lines on the floor), and I eventually adjusted to the new backcourt endline "bounce the ball across the lane" mechanic, but after forty three years of "muscle memory" with closest designated spots, I really don't need any more additional "decisions" to be made in my games.

I already make enough decisions.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1055186)

So you like making decisions based on a feel of where the ball should go? Not the hard and fast lines of the 3-point line?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1055187)

... with specific "weird" situations that involve some "decision making", such as the recent post by Nevadaref where even the NFHS was wrong and it took two days for only Nevadaref to spot the mistake, while the rest of us (including me) just "let it slide".

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1055187)

Maybe I wasn't clear.

Adjusting to the 3-point line, and bouncing the ball across the lane, were easy for an "old dog" like me.

The four and then eight spots were (and still are) diffcult for me.

Not in the "general sense" (I get the general guidelines, out of bounds versus "everything" else), but with specific "weird" situations that involve some "decision making", such as the recent post by Nevadaref (4.12.2 SITUATION C) where even the NFHS was wrong and it took two days for only Nevadaref to spot the mistake, while the rest of us (including me) just "let it slide".

Before the eight spots we made "decisions based on a feel of where the ball should go", as was so elegently stated by JRutledge.

The "feel" was really simple, the closest spot.

Nevermore.