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Coach Bill Sun Nov 02, 2025 08:33pm

Foul or no?
 
NFHS rules. Is this a foul?

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JRutledge Sun Nov 02, 2025 11:55pm

The angle is horrible. Don't know if the offensive player extended his arm or not.

Peace

bob jenkins Mon Nov 03, 2025 07:21am

Might also depend on the "temperature" of the game and what the two players involved had been up to previously.

But, I likely have a foul for an illegal screen

BillyMac Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:27pm

Cool, Calm, Collected ...
 
An illegal screen (time and distance) will have a calming effect on this game.

JRutledge Mon Nov 03, 2025 01:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1054338)
Might also depend on the "temperature" of the game and what the two players involved had been up to previously.

But, I likely have a foul for an illegal screen

I was thinking the same thing. A lot to be determined there.

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Nov 03, 2025 01:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1054339)
An illegal screen (time and distance) will have a calming effect on this game.


👍

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Mon Nov 03, 2025 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 1054336)
NFHS rules. Is this a foul?



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I can't see what the referee saw, so I can't give a dependable answer.

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SNIPERBBB Mon Nov 03, 2025 01:36pm

Definitely a foul .. who to call it on its hard to tell. The angle makes it hard to tell if the defender is chucking the screener or if the screener clips him.

BillyMac Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:22am

Double Foul ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1054343)
The angle makes it hard to tell if the defender is chucking the screener or if the screener clips him.

Double foul?

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Coach Bill Tue Nov 04, 2025 07:21pm

Would it matter that the white player without the ball is not intending to set a screen? Or, if no advantage was gained? I’ve seen players jog up the court with both hands in the air to signify “I’m not setting a screen, I’m just trying to jog up court to my position”. Is that a thing? And, if so, would that have been the thing for white to do to avoid a foul call here?

SNIPERBBB Tue Nov 04, 2025 07:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 1054354)
Would it matter that the white player without the ball is not intending to set a screen? Or, if no advantage was gained? I’ve seen players jog up the court with both hands in the air to signify “I’m not setting a screen, I’m just trying to jog up court to my position”. Is that a thing? And, if so, would that have been the thing for white to do to avoid a foul call here?

Intent doesnt matter.

The "oh im just walking down the court" walking screen has been a thing for ages.

Raymond Tue Nov 04, 2025 07:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 1054354)
Would it matter that the white player without the ball is not intending to set a screen? Or, if no advantage was gained? I’ve seen players jog up the court with both hands in the air to signify “I’m not setting a screen, I’m just trying to jog up court to my position”. Is that a thing? And, if so, would that have been the thing for white to do to avoid a foul call here?

Most fouls are accidental. Raising one's arms up will not absolve one from a foul if they have created illegal contact.

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JRutledge Wed Nov 05, 2025 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 1054354)
Would it matter that the white player without the ball is not intending to set a screen? Or, if no advantage was gained? I’ve seen players jog up the court with both hands in the air to signify “I’m not setting a screen, I’m just trying to jog up court to my position”. Is that a thing? And, if so, would that have been the thing for white to do to avoid a foul call here?

We have to judge if that player is just going to a spot as a screener, or they are doing something or in a way that creates space. As others said, intent does not matter, but an offensive player cannot just cause contact either. One of the reasons it is hard to know if this is a foul either way is because of who actually caused the contact here.

Peace


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