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SNIPERBBB Mon Dec 01, 2025 04:39pm

9.12 SITUATION B: On the second of two free-throw attempts by A1, the ball is touched outside the cylinder by A2. RULING: No points can be scored. A2's actions are ruled a violation. A2 is also assessed a technical foul. Team B will be given two free throws. Following the free throws Team B will be awarded the ball for a designated spot throw-in at the division line opposite the table. (9-1 Penalty 1, 10-4-9)

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BillyMac Mon Dec 01, 2025 05:48pm

Confirmed ...
 
Thanks SNIPERBBB and Raymond.

The last few posts have been very informative.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4aeae328c7.jpg

It appears that the NFHS has intentionally and deliberately wiped clean any casebook play referencing offensive goaltending on a free throw.

So getting rid of a technical foul for such action was not an unintended consequence, or an oversight, but an intentional and deliberate decision.

That's probably enough confirmation for me.

It’s really true, there really is no longer any such action as offensive goaltending, for a field goal try, a pass, or a free throw attempt.

At least we found three past casebook plays, that while worded slightly different, did tell us that the NFHS did, at one time, consider such a situation, it's not like counting angels dancing on the head of a pin.

The recent IAABO "word salad" clarification regarding free throw goaltending is still confusing me, but I'm now pretty sure that there is, indeed, no longer any offensive goaltending.

BillyMac Tue Dec 02, 2025 06:02pm

Let's Take A Poll ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1054535)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4aeae328c7.jpg

It appears that the NFHS has intentionally and deliberately wiped clean any casebook play referencing offensive goaltending on a free throw.

So getting rid of a technical foul for such action was not an unintended consequence, or an oversight, but an intentional and deliberate decision.

It’s really true, there really is no longer any such action as offensive goaltending, for a field goal try, a pass, or a free throw attempt.

I'm now pretty sure that there is, indeed, no longer any offensive goaltending.

Anybody agree with me?

Disagree with me?

I've got a girls middle school game on Thursday and I want to be prepared if an offensive player "goaltends" a free throw.

Raymond Tue Dec 02, 2025 06:38pm

I think if you review all the posts in this thread, you'll figure out who agrees with you and who doesn't. Or if there is a combination of agreeing with part of what you say but not something else.

I've said all I can say on the subject. There's nothing new I can say. What do you think based on what I've already posted?

What do you think based on what you read in the rule and case books?

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BillyMac Wed Dec 03, 2025 09:23am

No Longer Any Offensive Goaltending ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1054543)
What do you think based on what you read in the rule and case books?

There is no longer any such action as offensive goaltending, for a field goal try, a pass, or a free throw attempt.

There is no longer any offensive goaltending.

Period.

Until I hear otherwise.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Dec 06, 2025 03:40pm

Fair warning to everyone: There also may not be Goaltending, PERIOD!!
 
I know that BillyMac and I have come to the conclusion that per NFHS Rules that the correct RULING for the Situation that he described is that A2's touching the Ball caused A1 to commit a FT Violation.

This past Thursday afternoon Mark, Jr. and I discussed BillyMac's Situation and thirty seconds into our discussion Mark said that the wording of the change to R4-S12-A1 actually (or inadvertently, depending upon how one wants to look at the wording) did away with the Goaltending Rule completely.

I am working on a position paper which I will post on, hopefully, Monday or Tuesday.

MTD, Sr.


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