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Rich Wed May 21, 2025 11:03am

2025-26 NFHS Rules Changes
 
https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213787/2...-rationale.pdf

Rich Wed May 21, 2025 11:04am

A trio of changes to address when goaltending and basket interference are called are among the changes to high school basketball rules for the 2025-26 season.

These revisions to the NFHS Basketball Rules Book are among the six changes recommended by the Basketball Rules Committee during its April 28-30 meeting in Indianapolis – all of which were subsequently approved by the NFHS Board of Directors.

Rule 4-22-3 has been added to indicate that a ball is considered to be on its downward flight once it contacts the backboard on a legitimate shot attempt. Therefore, it is goaltending if a defensive player touches the ball after it contacts the backboard. Prior to this change, an official determined if a shot attempt was still ascending and out of the cylinder before goaltending could be called.

“By establishing that a ball is considered to be on its downward flight upon contacting the backboard, this rule change introduces a clear and objective standard,” said Monica Maxwell, NFHS director of sports and liaison to the Basketball Rules Committee. “It significantly reduces the need for officials to make subjective judgments regarding the trajectory of a shot, thereby enhancing consistency and accuracy in goaltending calls.”

Rules 4-22-1 and 4-22-2 were amended to indicate that only a defensive player can commit goaltending, eliminating the possibility of an offensive goaltending violation. The change removes the need to determine whether a ball in flight is a field-goal attempt or a pass. Any alteration of a shot attempt with contact to the basket or backboard by an offensive player would be considered basket interference.

Additionally, the act of intentionally slapping or striking the backboard during a shot attempt will now result in basket interference and not a technical foul. This addition of new Rule 4-6-2 and corresponding removal of Rule 10-4-4b from the “Player Technical” section aims to standardize officiating and remove intent from the decision.

Similarly, it is a violation for a player to purposely or deceitfully delay a return to the court after being out of bounds and be the first to touch the ball in new language added in Rules 9-2-12 and 9-3-4. This change removes the act from Rule 10-4-2, which called for a technical foul and lessens the penalty to a violation.

In a change to Rule 4-34-1, all players in the game will be considered bench personnel once an official signals for a time-out. This change ensures consistent enforcement of penalties for unsporting conduct by allowing officials to issue technical fouls to bench personnel during time-outs. Prior to this change, if a player warranted a penalty for unsporting conduct during a time-out, an official was required to determine if the player had been in the game or on the bench.

“One of the points of emphasis this year will be bench decorum,” said Billy Strickland, executive director of the Alaska School Activities Association and chair of the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee. “How can we help coaches and officials know that communication is a two-way street? It just needs to be done a proper manner.”

The determination of the location for a throw-in after a stoppage of play was adjusted in Rule 7-5-4 using the three-point line. If a violation occurs on or within the three-point line, the designated spot will be on the end line. A throw-in will be on the sideline if the violation occurs outside the three-point line. This rule change eliminates the use of the imaginary line to determine a throw-in spot.

According to the most recent NFHS High School Athletics Participation Survey, basketball is the third-most popular sport for boys with 536,668 participants in 18,587 schools, and the fourth-most popular sport for girls with 367,284 participants at 18,090 schools.

BillyMac Wed May 21, 2025 12:58pm

Rationales ...
 
2025-26 NFHS Basketball Rules Changes

4-22-1 & 2: This change removes the offensive team from goaltending violations, simplifying
enforcement for officials and reducing ambiguity over whether a ball was a shot or a pass. It also
encourages more scoring opportunities and minimizes confusion for players and coaches.

Rationale: The change eliminates the possibility of an offensive goaltending violation, which simplifies
the rule for officials and players. It removes the need to judge whether a ball in flight is a try or a pass,
resulting in clearer enforcement, greater consistency, and more opportunities for scoring plays near the basket.

4-22-3 (NEW): This rule change establishes that once the ball contacts the backboard, it is automatically considered to be on its downward flight. Therefore, if a player touches the ball after it hits the backboard, and the ball has a possibility of entering the basket, it is ruled as goaltending.
This clarification helps protect legitimate shot attempts, reduces rough rebounding situations, and
addresses a common rules misconception among coaches and players. It provides officials with a clearer standard for enforcing goaltending in backboard-related plays.

Rationale: This change enhances officiating clarity and protects legitimate shot attempts. It also
addresses a common misconception among coaches and players by explicitly defining goaltending,
leading to more consistent enforcement.

4-34-1: This rule change updates the definition of a player to clarify that a player is one of the five team members legally on the court at any given time, except during time-outs or intermissions.
The change ensures consistency in rule enforcement by recognizing that it is difficult to distinguish
between players, substitutes, and bench personnel during time-outs and intermissions. This clarification also supports the accountability of coaches for all team conduct during these periods and helps avoid misapplication of penalties such as technical fouls.

Rationale: This change ensures consistent enforcement of penalties for unsporting conduct by bench
personnel. It allows officials to issue technical fouls to bench personnel during time-outs, aligning with
the current rules for intermissions. It eliminates confusion and potential misapplication of rules and
ensures fair and consistent enforcement of penalties for unsporting behavior, regardless of the
individual’s role.

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt. Instead of relying on an
imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine
the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor
markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces
confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.

9-2-12 & 9-3-4 (NEW): This rule change addresses situations where a thrower purposely and/or
deceitfully delays returning inbounds after legally stepping out of bounds and then becomes the first
player to touch the ball upon re-entering the court. Previously penalized as a technical foul, this action is now treated as a violation, aligning it with similar out-of-bounds scenarios. The change reduces the
severity of the penalty to encourage more consistent enforcement by officials and prevents players from gaining an unfair advantage through deceptive re-entry tactics.

Rationale: This change lessens the penalty for players who delay their return after being out of bounds, shifting the penalty from a technical foul to a less severe violation. This rule aligns with the penalty structure of similar violations, such as Rule 9-3-3 (where a player steps out of bounds on their own volition). The change is intended to make it easier for officials to recognize and penalize these actions consistently while reducing the severity of the penalty, encouraging more accurate enforcement.

10-4-4b: This rule prohibits players from illegally contacting the backboard or ring in ways that create an unfair advantage or interfere with a scoring attempt. This rule is designed to maintain fair play and
protect the integrity of scoring opportunities by penalizing actions affecting the outcome of a shot, with
a technical foul.

Rationale: The rule change aims to standardize and clarify the enforcement of basket interference,
leading to fairer outcomes and more consistent officiating. The removal of subjective judgments around intent allows for clearer rulings and better alignment with current game dynamics.

4-6-1a & b (NEW): This rule change clarifies and expands the definition of basket interference to include additional actions that unfairly affect the ball while it is in a scoring position. Basket interference now occurs when a player slaps or strikes the backboard, causing the backboard or basket to vibrate, while he ball is on or within the basket, touching the backboard, or within the cylinder.

Rationale: This clarification helps officials consistently identify interference that affects scoring plays
and ensures the integrity of the basket area during shot attempts.

2025-26 NFHS Basketball Editorial Changes
4-19-3c, 4-47, 5.2.1 SITUATION C, 6-3-2a, 6-3-5b, 10-5-2

2025-26 NFHS Basketball Points of Emphasis
1. Bench Decorum and Communication
2. Faking Being Fouled
3. Contact on the Ball Handler

Raymond Wed May 21, 2025 02:17pm

Would love to see you editorial change for "contact on the ball handler".

Definitely a pet peeve of mine, the inconsistent and/or lack of enforcement by the same officials who go into the locker room and complain about how sloppy the game was.

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BillyMac Fri May 23, 2025 11:35am

Rocket Ship Diagram ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1053751)
The determination of the location for a throw-in after a stoppage of play was adjusted in Rule 7-5-4 using the three-point line. If a violation occurs on or within the three-point line, the designated spot will be on the end line. A throw-in will be on the sideline if the violation occurs outside the three-point line. This rule change eliminates the use of the imaginary line to determine a throw-in spot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053752)
7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.

Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?

https://live.staticflickr.com/7137/7...40b397d7_m.jpg

Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle

BillyMac Fri May 23, 2025 11:50am

Inbounder Purposely Or Deceitfully Delays Returning Inbounds ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1053751)
Similarly, it is a violation for a player to purposely or deceitfully delay a return to the court after being out of bounds and be the first to touch the ball in new language added in Rules 9-2-12 and 9-3-4. This change removes the act from Rule 10-4-2, which called for a technical foul and lessens the penalty to a violation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053752)
9-2-12 & 9-3-4 (NEW): This rule change addresses situations where a thrower purposely and/or deceitfully delays returning inbounds after legally stepping out of bounds and then becomes the first player to touch the ball upon re-entering the court. Previously penalized as a technical foul, this action is now treated as a violation, aligning it with similar out-of-bounds scenarios. The change reduces the severity of the penalty to encourage more consistent enforcement by officials and prevents players from gaining an unfair advantage through deceptive re-entry tactics.

Rationale: This change lessens the penalty for players who delay their return after being out of bounds, shifting the penalty from a technical foul to a less severe violation. This rule aligns with the penalty structure of similar violations, such as Rule 9-3-3 (where a player steps out of bounds on their own volition). The change is intended to make it easier for officials to recognize and penalize these actions consistently while reducing the severity of the penalty, encouraging more accurate enforcement.

It took two, of three, formal requests, but it looks like the NFHS finally listened to me.

Past two years of "player steps out of bounds on their own volition and is first to touch" rule language changes probably helped to encourage the change.

February 12, 2025

NFHS Proposed Basketball Rule Change

Delete Old Rule: Player Technical Foul 10-4-2: A player must not: Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds. Penalty: (Section 4) Two free throws plus the ball for a division-line throw-in.

Add New Rule: Out Of Bounds Violation 9-3-4: A player must not purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds. Penalty: (Section 4) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the violation.

Many officials don’t call players for purposely delaying returning in bounds because they believe that the penalty of a technical foul is too harsh. The penalty for illegally "coming in" should be similar to the penalty for illegally "going out" (9-3-3).

The NFHS did something similar many years ago with swinging elbows excessively with no contact. Forty-plus years ago it was a violation to do so, then the NFHS changed it to a technical foul. Many officials, believing this to be too harsh a penalty, didn’t charge the technical foul. In response, the NFHS reversed course and changed this illegal act back to a violation.

Same thing happened in 2005-06 when the NFHS changed leaving court for an unauthorized reason from a technical foul to a violation. The rules committee believed that the former penalty of a technical foul was not being assessed and hoped that changing the penalty to a violation would increase the likelihood of the infraction being called and eliminate a tremendous advantage.

Valley Man Fri May 23, 2025 12:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053755)
Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?

https://live.staticflickr.com/7137/7...40b397d7_m.jpg

Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle

I would say no. Use the floor markings. If the OOB violation is outside the 3point arc it goes to nearest 28'. If inside the arc, nearest 3' mark.

BillyMac Fri May 23, 2025 02:15pm

Not Due To Teh Ball Going Out Of Bounds ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1053757)
I would say no. Use the floor markings. If the OOB violation is outside the 3point arc it goes to nearest 28'. If inside the arc, nearest 3' mark.

Sounds reasonable, but the NFHS says that the "rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throwin spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt".

BillyMac Fri May 23, 2025 02:32pm

Confused In Connecticut ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1053751)
Additionally, the act of intentionally slapping or striking the backboard during a shot attempt will now result in basket interference and not a technical foul. This addition of new Rule 4-6-2 and corresponding removal of Rule 10-4-4b from the “Player Technical” section aims to standardize officiating and remove intent from the decision.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053752)
10-4-4b: This rule prohibits players from illegally contacting the backboard or ring in ways that create an unfair advantage or interfere with a scoring attempt. This rule is designed to maintain fair play and protect the integrity of scoring opportunities by penalizing actions affecting the outcome of a shot, with a technical foul.

Rationale: The rule change aims to standardize and clarify the enforcement of basket interference, leading to fairer outcomes and more consistent officiating. The removal of subjective judgments around intent allows for clearer rulings and better alignment with current game dynamics.

4-6-1a & b (NEW): This rule change clarifies and expands the definition of basket interference to include additional actions that unfairly affect the ball while it is in a scoring position. Basket interference now occurs when a player slaps or strikes the backboard, causing the backboard or basket to vibrate, while the ball is on or within the basket, touching the backboard, or within the cylinder.

Rationale: This clarification helps officials consistently identify interference that affects scoring plays and ensures the integrity of the basket area during shot attempts.

I'm confused.

In the past if a defensive player intentionally slapped the backboard and the ball didn't go in all we could do was to charge a technical foul (and not award the goal).

How do we handle this now?

Award the goal, or award the goal and charge a technical foul?

SNIPERBBB Fri May 23, 2025 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053755)
Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?

https://live.staticflickr.com/7137/7...40b397d7_m.jpg

Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle

The rocket ship blew up. It's time was coming.

ilyazhito Fri May 23, 2025 05:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053759)
I'm confused.

In the past if a defensive player intentionally slapped the backboard and the ball didn't go in all we could do was to charge a technical foul (and not award the goal).

How do we handle this now?

Award the goal, or award the goal and charge a technical foul?

Award the goal. Slapping the backboard is now BI in all codes.

BillyMac Fri May 23, 2025 05:46pm

Still Confused ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1053761)
Award the goal. Slapping the backboard is now BI in all codes.

That's what I first believed when I first read the changes.

However:

10-4-4b: This rule prohibits players from illegally contacting the backboard or ring in ways that create an unfair advantage or interfere with a scoring attempt. This rule is designed to maintain fair play and protect the integrity of scoring opportunities by penalizing actions affecting the outcome of a shot, with a technical foul.

JRutledge Fri May 23, 2025 06:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053762)
That's what I first believed when I first read the changes.

However:

10-4-4b: This rule prohibits players from illegally contacting the backboard or ring in ways that create an unfair advantage or interfere with a scoring attempt. This rule is designed to maintain fair play and protect the integrity of scoring opportunities by penalizing actions affecting the outcome of a shot, with a technical foul.

It has to influence the shot at the other levels as well, at least at he NCAA Men's level. It is not just simply hitting the backboard and then you call a violation.

Peace

BillyMac Sat May 24, 2025 10:36am

The Rain In Spain Falls Mainly On The Plain ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1053763)
It has to influence the shot at the other levels as well ... It is not just simply hitting the backboard and then you call a violation.

Thanks JRutledge.

Let me see if I've got this figured out?

In high school ...

Slapping the backboard, with, or without intent, is no longer a technical foul, never.

However, if the backboard is slapped, with, or without intent, and it affects the shot such that it doesn't go in the basket, we can award the goal for basket interference.

However, if the backboard is slapped, with, or without intent, and it does not affect the shot that doesn't go in the basket, we cannot award the goal.

Old rules regarding putting hand on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage (the Ralph Sampson Rule) are still in place and we can charge a technical foul.

"I think I've got it."

Do I?

Ralph Sampson’s (Virginia 1979-1983, NBA 1983-1995) controversial basket against Brigham Young in the 1981 NCAA tournament prompted an NCAA rule change. The seven foot, four inch Virginia Cavalier All-American center dunked the ball with his free hand braced against the backboard. The basket led to a five point swing for Virginia which capitalized on a technical foul against Brigham Young's Danny Ainge who thought Sampson's play was illegal. Actually Sampson did nothing wrong since, at the time, there was no rule making this an illegal play. Since 1983 NFHS rules now state that it’s illegal for player to place a hand on the backboard, or the ring, to gain an advantage.

Raymond Sat May 24, 2025 06:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053755)
Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?

https://live.staticflickr.com/7137/7...40b397d7_m.jpg

Rocket Ship Diagram [emoji2398] 2009, Back In The Saddle

Why do you need a diagram for an out of bounds violation? Throw in from the exact spot the ball went out of bounds except between the lane lines.

Am I missing something?

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BillyMac Sat May 24, 2025 06:36pm

My Mistake ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1053765)
Why do you need a diagram for an out of bounds violation? Throw in from the exact spot the ball went out of bounds except between the lane lines. Am I missing something?

No, I'm missing something, and I overthought (or underthought) the concept.

I was distracted by this:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.

So I guess that the Rocket Ship Diagram (© 2009, Back In The Saddle) has blasted off on its last journey.

Right?

SNIPERBBB Sun May 25, 2025 05:29pm

No more rocket ship. Unfortunately people aren't very good with the rocket ship. They thought everything inside the arc went to the endline spots.

ilyazhito Sun May 25, 2025 10:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1053767)
No more rocket ship. Unfortunately people aren't very good with the rocket ship. They thought everything inside the arc went to the endline spots.

Interesting. I used the rocket ship when it was a thing. However, the NFHS is trying to idiot-proof the spots where the ball goes.

BillyMac Mon May 26, 2025 06:44am

Personal Interpretation ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053764)
In high school ...

Slapping the backboard, with, or without intent, is no longer a technical foul, never.

However, if the backboard is slapped, with, or without intent, and it affects the shot such that it doesn't go in the basket, we can award the goal for basket interference.

However, if the backboard is slapped, with, or without intent, and it does not affect the shot that doesn't go in the basket, we cannot award the goal.

Old rules regarding putting hand on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage (the Ralph Sampson Rule) are still in place and we can charge a technical foul.

Can anyone confirm my personal interpretation of the new rules regarding basket interference and slapping the backboard while still leaving the Ralph Sampson Rule in place?

Raymond Mon May 26, 2025 09:24am

Best I can say is that in NCAA Men's basketball, slapping the backboard is basket interference if it vibrates the ring while the ball is on it.

I'd have to look back, but I would think Jeff probably provided the Men's interpretation.

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Raymond Mon May 26, 2025 09:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1053768)
Interesting. I used the rocket ship when it was a thing. However, the NFHS is trying to idiot-proof the spots where the ball goes.

As much as it is being put in place so players and coaches can easily discern the throw in spot, it's also in place because of the laziness and inattention to detail many officials have shown over the years.

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bob jenkins Mon May 26, 2025 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053755)
Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?



Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle


Did we ever use it for OOB? OOB has always been the spot nearest where the ball went OOB. The"rocket ship" was for violations that happened on the playing court; OOB, by definition, doesn't happen there.

edit: I see Raymond made a similar response. Missed it in my first glance through the thread -- internet has been out for nearly three days and I am rushing to catch up.

BillyMac Mon May 26, 2025 06:34pm

Limited Manner ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1053772)
Did we ever use it for OOB?

In a limited manner, when the ball went out of bounds on the end line between the lane lines.

I still screwed up and deserved the double scolding.

Zoochy Tue May 27, 2025 11:15am

Elton John
 
7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.
So, what if there is a stoppage of play in the Backcourt? Rocket Ship? Or use existing 3-point marking?

ilyazhito Tue May 27, 2025 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 1053774)
7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.
So, what if there is a stoppage of play in the Backcourt? Rocket Ship? Or use existing 3-point marking?

The rocket ship should still apply in the backcourt. In NFHS rules now, any stoppage in the frontcourt, other than OOB, uses the 4 designated spots.

BillyMac Tue May 27, 2025 02:25pm

Rocket Man ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 1053774)
Elton John

Nice. One of my favorite Elton John songs.

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BillyMac Tue May 27, 2025 02:29pm

Oldy But Goody ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1053775)
The rocket ship should still apply in the backcourt. In NFHS rules now, any stoppage in the frontcourt, other than OOB, uses the 4 designated spots.

The Rocket Ship lives on to blast off again!

Raymond Tue May 27, 2025 10:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 1053774)
7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.

So, what if there is a stoppage of play in the Backcourt? Rocket Ship? Or use existing 3-point marking?

Nevermind my original response, misread post.

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JRutledge Wed May 28, 2025 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1053768)
Interesting. I used the rocket ship when it was a thing. However, the NFHS is trying to idiot-proof the spots where the ball goes.

Coaches were arguing over the location of a throw-in, now we do have that debate in the FC.

Peace

JRutledge Wed May 28, 2025 09:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053769)
Can anyone confirm my personal interpretation of the new rules regarding basket interference and slapping the backboard while still leaving the Ralph Sampson Rule in place?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1053770)
Best I can say is that in NCAA Men's basketball, slapping the backboard is basket interference if it vibrates the ring while the ball is on it.

I'd have to look back, but I would think Jeff probably provided the Men's interpretation.

The college interpretation was simple. If the ball was influenced by the vibrating of the backboard or rim because of a slap, then you could call BI on these plays. Simply hitting the backboard was not enough because sometimes the ball never made it on the basket or rim, even if there was a slap. Still some judgment, but that was how it was interpreted. Now, what the NF will ultimately say or use is still up for some debate. I believe they are adopting the current college interpretation, but they tend to retain some aspects specific to the NF. Just look at the rollout with the flopping and how many iterations of that application that was mulled over and still are being mulled over.

Peace

JRutledge Wed May 28, 2025 09:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1053775)
The rocket ship should still apply in the backcourt. In NFHS rules now, any stoppage in the frontcourt, other than OOB, uses the 4 designated spots.

We are going to have to get that explained or more wording. Because right now, it seems like this is for everywhere on the court. I would doubt the NF would have two different diagrams based on the FC and BC. But stranger things have happened.

Peace

ltllng Wed May 28, 2025 12:54pm

Updated doc
 
I emailed the NFHS to fix the wording on this.
The Rocket Ship is now GONE!

Updated here:
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource...anges-2025-26/

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed May 28, 2025 09:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ltllng (Post 1053782)
I emailed the NFHS to fix the wording on this.
The Rocket Ship is now GONE!

Updated here:
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource...anges-2025-26/

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.


Itling:

Where did the NFHS make any change to R7-S5-A4 in its May 28, 2025 publication from its May 21, 2025 publication. I do not see any change in the Rule nor in its Rationale. Both the May 21, 2025 publication and the May 28, 2025 publication are the same: word for word.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Thu May 29, 2025 07:00pm

And Backcourt ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ltllng (Post 1053782)
The Rocket Ship is now GONE!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1053785)
Itling: Where did the NFHS make any change to R7-S5-A4 ...

Itling may be corrrect:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Previous wording only stated frontcourt:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

BillyMac Fri May 30, 2025 12:19pm

Common Sense Language ...
 
I'm trying to understand the new rules using common sense language.

How does this sound?

Goaltending violations only for defensive team. No more goaltending violations for the offensive team, for both passes and shots.

Once ball contacts the backboard, it is automatically considered to be on its downward flight. Therefore, if a player touches the ball after it hits the backboard, and the ball has a possibility of entering the basket, it is ruled as goaltending.

Slapping the backboard, with, or without intent, is no longer a technical foul. However, if the backboard is slapped, with, or without intent, and it affects the shot such that it doesn't go in the basket, award the goal for basket interference. Likewise, if the backboard is slapped, with, or without intent, and it does not affect the shot that doesn't go in the basket, do not award the goal.

Technical foul for players who illegally put hand on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage.

Violation for inbounder to purposely or deceitfully delay returning inbounds.

A player is one of the five team members legally on the court at any given time, except during timeouts or intermissions.

Officials will use the three point line to determining the designated throwin spot following a stoppage of play in both the frontcourt and the backcourt.


Middle school coaches in the games I work usually don't attend new rules clinics.

I'm trying to come up with my "elevator speech" for next season.

bob jenkins Fri May 30, 2025 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053787)

Middle school coaches in the games I work usually don't attend new rules clinics..

You have 90% too much for MS coaches. The only one I *might* mention is the violation for not entering the court immediately. And, if I did so, I wouldn't say anything about it formerly being a T.

the most important thing: "We are still paying 6 minute quarters? Good."

BillyMac Fri May 30, 2025 01:51pm

Fifth Floor Please ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1053788)
You have 90% too much for MS coaches

I can definitely cover all of these within the time parameters of an "elevator speech", meant to last the duration of an elevator ride, which can vary in length from approximately thirty seconds to two minutes.

Can you please comment on all that I've broached?

Is my "common sense" language accurate to the purpose and intent of the actual more complex rule language?

I will also use this to cover the new rules with my middle school partners, some who haven't cracked open a rule book since the Obama administration.

In our local board we play eight minute middle school periods and get paid the same as a freshman or junior varsity high school game.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri May 30, 2025 06:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053786)
Itling may be corrrect:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Previous wording only stated frontcourt:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.



Damn trifocals! 🤬🤬 🤣🤣

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Fri May 30, 2025 07:09pm

Acronym Or Initialism ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1053790)
Damn trifocals!

IAABO (I Am A Blind Official)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri May 30, 2025 08:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ltllng (Post 1053782)
I emailed the NFHS to fix the wording on this.
The Rocket Ship is now GONE!

Updated here:
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource...anges-2025-26/

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.


If one opens the above link it will open the May 28, 2025 version and this version is different from the original May 21, 2025 version. Both the May 21st and May 28th versions which can be converted to a 'print version' by clicking on the link in the upper right hand of the page labeled: Print and the May 28th version shows the correction from the Print version of May 21st version. But ...

If one clicks on the link in the upper left hand corner labeled: Download a PDF version. The PDF version for May 28th is the same as the PDF version for May 21st; the NFHS did not correct the PDF version.

The PDF version: https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213787/2...-rationale.pdf

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri May 30, 2025 09:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053791)
IAABO (I Am A Blind Official)


Billy, we are both blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other!

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sat May 31, 2025 10:54am

Bang, Zoom, Straight To The Moon ...
 
Now we know where the Rocket Ship is going.

https://meme-generator.com/wp-conten...n-306468-1.jpg

BillyMac Sat May 31, 2025 11:04am

I Can See ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1053793)
Billy, we are both blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other!

In the off season before the last basketball season, I had cataract surgery on my left eye.

As a "regular" on the "middle school circuit" many fans and coaches know me quite well.

This past year I often told such fans and coaches, "Hey, if you thought I was good last year, I just got cataract surgery on my left eye and now I can finally see the basketball, boundaries, and numbers, so I'm going to be much better this year".

Many replied, "Better get the other eye done as soon as possible".

True story.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jul 18, 2025 05:02pm

NFHS R7-S5-A4: The more things change the more things stay the same!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ltllng (Post 1053782)
I emailed the NFHS to fix the wording on this.
The Rocket Ship is now GONE!

Updated here:
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource...anges-2025-26/

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053786)
Itling may be corrrect:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt and backcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Previous wording only stated frontcourt:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1053792)
If one opens the above link it will open the May 28, 2025 version and this version is different from the original May 21, 2025 version. Both the May 21st and May 28th versions which can be converted to a 'print version' by clicking on the link in the upper right hand of the page labeled: Print and the May 28th version shows the correction from the Print version of May 21st version. But ...

If one clicks on the link in the upper left hand corner labeled: Download a PDF version. The PDF version for May 28th is the same as the PDF version for May 21st; the NFHS did not correct the PDF version.

The PDF version: https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213787/2...-rationale.pdf

MTD, Sr.


As everyone should know by now the NFHS website was complete revamped at 12:00amEDT on July 01, 2025 and the new website is not that user friendly (not that the prevision was much better but that is a discussion for another time). The revamp was for all Sports but when the change was made, the Basketball Rules pages reverted to the obsolete pre-May 28, 2025 pages.

The real irony is that when the NFHS finally dropped the 2025-26 NFHS Basketball Comments on the Rules and Points of Emphasis on July 14, 2025, it updated the 2025-26 Rules Changes, Editorial Changes, and POE with a version dated June 24, 2025 which was nothing more than the May 21st version which the May 28th version was supposed to have corrected, and the June 14th PDF version is exactly the same as the May 21st and 28th (which was the same as the 21st version) versions.

And it gets curious and curiouser because:

The July 14th 2025-26 NFHS Basketball Comments on the Rules for R7-S5-A4 only mention ‘Front Court’ and not ‘Front Court and Backcourt’.

Therefore, “Lucy! You have some ‘splaining to do!”

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Fri Jul 18, 2025 05:43pm

Forecourt, Midcourt ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1053923)
And it gets curious and curiouser because: The July 14th 2025-26 NFHS Basketball Comments on the Rules for R7-S5-A4 only mention ‘Forecourt’ and not ‘Forecourt and Backcourt’. Therefore, “Lucy! You have some ‘splaining to do!”

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: You're showing your age.

The NFHS stopped using the terms "forecourt" and "midcourt" way back in the twentieth century.

In fact, we may be some of the few alive to remember such.

Remember "Lack of action"?

Remember "Play ball!".

Remember a new closely guarded count for dribblers (sixteen seconds of legal closely guarded, hold, dribble, dribble across midcourt line, hold)?

But in essence, what Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. was "trying" to say is true.

7-5-4: This change provides a clearer, more consistent method for determining the throw-in location after a stoppage of play in the frontcourt when the ball has not gone out of bounds.

Silly NFHS, everybody must be in "vacation mode".

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jul 18, 2025 09:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1053924)
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: You're showing your age.

The NFHS stopped using the terms "forecourt" and "midcourt" back in the twentieth century.

In fact, we may be some of the few alive to remember such.

Remember "Lack of action"?

Remember "Play ball!".

Remember a new closely guarding count for dribblers (sixteen seconds of legal closely guarded, hold, dribble, dribble across midcourt line, hold)?

But in essence, what Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. was "trying" to say is true.

7-5-4: This change provides a clearer, more consistent method for determining the throw-in location after a stoppage of play in the frontcourt when the ball has not gone out of bounds.

Silly NFHS, everybody must be in "vacation mode".


BillyMac:

I have no idea why I used the word Forecourt!

I will edit the comment immediately,

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sat Jul 19, 2025 10:41am

Ancient Times ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1053925)
I have no idea why I used the word Forecourt!

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.w...=Api&P=0&h=180


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