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bucky Thu Apr 11, 2024 06:35pm

Hurley on court - violation
 
When UCONN coach Hurley stepped on the court and touched his player, the official blew the play dead and suddenly the other team got possession of the ball. Online play-by-play indicated a "team violation".

Can someone quickly cite the NCAAM rule for this type of violation and when the rule was instituted? A quick online search found nothing.

BillyMac Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:15am

Déjà Vu All Over Again" (Yogi Berra) ...
 
I saw the play and also wondered what the call was.

This situation immediately reminded me of a similar situation we had in Connecticut last year where a male high school girls coach came off the bench and took one step onto the court to push his player (who stumbled) to another position on the court.

Officials either missed it, or ignored it at the time it happened, however the situation was captured by the game video.

Player abuse? Coach was put on administrative leave while the situation was investigated.

Coach was reprimanded, missed a few games, was reinstated, and went on to win the state championship.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...n-players.html

1:03:55 on video.

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BillyMac Fri Apr 12, 2024 08:10pm

Turnover ...
 
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OK you college guys, what's the rule and interpretation of this call?

Does a coaching box violation (as stated by the announcers) warning (no free throws taken) result in a loss of possession?

Does the college rule differ from the high school rule where is high school player is only out of bounds if they touch an "object," not a "person", who is out of bounds?

To be out of bounds, a player must touch the floor, or some object, on or outside a boundary line. People are not considered to be objects, so if a player inadvertently touches someone who is out of bounds (another player, a photographer, a coach, an official, etc.), without gaining an advantage, is not considered an out of bounds violation.

Or, most likely, maybe because the touch wasn't inadvertent (although from the player's perspective, it was inadvertent)?

It appeared that he coach was actually out of bounds (one foot out, one foot in).

BillyMac Sat Apr 13, 2024 05:21pm

Inadvertently ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1052416)
Does the college rule differ from the high school rule where is high school player is only out of bounds if they touch an "object," not a "person", who is out of bounds?

NFHS 7-1-1: A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on or outside a boundary.

NFHS 7.1.1 Situation A: A1, while holding the ball inbounds near the sideline, touches (a) player B1; (b) a photographer; (c) a coach; (d) an official, all of whom are out of bounds. Ruling: A1 is not out of bounds in (a), (b), (c), or (d). To be out of bounds, A1 must touch the floor or some object on or outside a boundary line. People are not considered to be objects and play continues. Inadvertently touching someone who is out of bounds, without gaining an advantage, is not considered a violation.


What's the college rule and interpretation?

Spencer did not purposely touch Hurley (Hurley purposely touched Spencer).

Spencer did not inadvertently touch someone who is out of bounds, but there certainly was an advantage gained.

Robert Goodman Sun Apr 14, 2024 09:03am

My thought on reading the subject line was, of course, you can't carry one of these sticks onto a basketball court:

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bucky Mon Apr 15, 2024 07:49pm

Apparently all college basketball officials have taken time off.:eek:

justacoach Thu Apr 18, 2024 09:38am

whack!!!
 
I think Hurley should have been whacked on several occasions when he angrily approached distant officials during timeouts.

Have learned that pre tournament conference call specifically encouraged game officials to avoid the bench areas during timeouts.

A jerk in November is still a jerk in April

JRutledge Thu Apr 18, 2024 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 1052423)
I think Hurley should have been whacked on several occasions when he angrily approached distant officials during timeouts.

Have learned that pre tournament conference call specifically encouraged game officials to avoid the bench areas during timeouts.

A jerk in November is still a jerk in April

They were not paying him any mind. I think guys watching were more upset than the actual officials that actually have had him multiple times before. He was being a baby, but I think they treated him like he was acting and moved on.

Peace


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