NCAA Men's Tournament Discussion (2024)
 

Let's use this thread to discuss the tournament, ask for videos, etc. Thanks.

If anyone has the Arizona/Long Beach State officials, please reply.

10:32 left second half NV vs Dayton. Throw-in violation play.

8:20 left second half NV vs Dayton
NCAAM rule is probably different, but would you call this an intentional personal foul in an NFHS game?

I got the names - I went back and watched the beginning of the game. For some reason they didn't end up in the boxscore.

5:44 remaining first half of Kansas v Sanford
Is this worth coming out of your primary and in front of your partner to call?

13:34 left second half NC St v TX Tech.
Does the defender commit BI or a T?

Is there any place we can house videos for this site? I have many videos that I can post but get tired of being flagged on YouTube. So I would go to another site or some place that we can post these videos from the NCAA Tournament.

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14.7 seconds left in Kansas v Samford
Do NOT guess!!!
Just because a guy falls hard, doesn’t mean that he was fouled.

If anyone has the Oregon/South Carolina crew, let me know. The one listed in the boxscore actually worked another game.

Tough play....I don't think he guessed. Unfortunately it looks like he got it wrong.

On another forum someone posted the play....anonymously. Coward.

He missed it. We all miss plays.

Around 1:45 left first half Mich St/Miss St.

OOB play under Mich St. basket. Called OOB by Mich St., but appeared that after being completely OOB, looks like Mich St. player got 'something in and nothing out', then batted the ball to keep it inbounds.

It was actually 2:05 on the clock. But that is a great play to review and has a good replay as well.

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0:48 left second half FAU/NW.

Backcourt violation on NW. FAU given the ball clost to half-court, but only given a 20 second shot clock?

Thanks for the play. The 20-second shot clock because the violation is put in the new FC of FAU.

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The Lead got straightlined. The C had the perfect look and had no whistle. The replays from the C point of view are fantastic.

20 second plus throw-in at 28' line would be the correct combination.

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Is Amy Bonner the first woman to officiate an Men’s NCAA Tournament game.

Don’t know if it was the same woman, but I’m pretty certain that there was a female official last year.

5:09 left in the second half of Utah St v TCU
Clearest hook & hold foul that I’ve seen, but the crew reviews it and goes with a common foul. What am I not understanding?

Amy Bonner worked 89 games this season in the Big 12, Conference USA, Missouri Valley, West Coast Conference, Atlantic 10, and Pac 12. She's worked 1 tournament game in each of 2022 and 2023.

The KenPom list is pretty accurate. The top 48 officials on it worked this weekend as well as 87 of his top 100.

This is an excellent point in transition and something we talk about pregame. The C typically has a better look on these plays and I'm staying off anything where I'm looking through someone. If it's there, the center gets it. If neither of us do and there's contact, then I guess we miss a foul.

No. That happened in the early 2000s.

Melanie Davis - First Women to work the NCAA Tournament

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I was watching that game* and I think that's what they did (but my memory might be faulty).

OR at least channel surfing and caught that part of that game ; I typically watch less than two hours through the whole tournament

My basketball season ended just last week so I'm still in the mood for it. I'll admit that watching the Badgers play their usual NCAA game against a mid-major lower seed has me less interested.

Who are the noticeable that didn't work this year?

These are officials who worked the tournament last year and are still active officials:

Clarence Armstrong
Jerry Heater
Bill Ek
Chris Beaver
Rob Kueneman

From the list posted I can tell you both Rutecki and Armstrong are injured. I think some of the names on the list need to be there but I'll trust the committee

The more new names the better as far as I'm concerned.

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I caught that Floyd worked and I also checked to see which officials haven't worked the tournament in years and removed them. Hence the edit.

40 officials chosen for regionals. So eight that worked the second round don't advance:

Nate Harris
Verne Harris
KB Burdett
Gregory Nixon
Nathan Farrell
Bill Covington
DJ Carstensen
Vladimir Voyard-Tadal

The last 2 worked the Alabama/Grand Canyon game and it's the only game not advancing at least 2 officials.

How the KenPom officials rankings are derived:

“The problem with this idea is that I have no way of actually grading officials. But officials do get graded by someone and I’m operating on the assumption that the best officials get assigned to the best games. That is surely not precisely true on a daily basis, but over time, if an official is regularly working the biggest games on the national stage, the folks that make such decisions probably think he’s doing a solid job.

In order to assess the quality of a game, I’m using the Thrill Score from FanMatch, imperfect though it may be. But it would seem to capture the things that are important here: opponent quality and game competitiveness. The only other thing we need to account for is the officials’ schedule. The busiest officials can top 100 games in a season. I’m going to value quality over quantity, so I’d prefer not to reward officials for bulk scheduling. In that interest, I’m taking average Thrill Score over the top 50 games that an official works in a season.”

From KenPom.com article Roger Ayers is the best ref
Ken Pomeroy | 01.30.17

I find the above extremely intriguing because this method pinpoints the NCAA tournament officials who are preselected for two assignments in the opening weekend and those who are not. Notice that the lowest KenPom ranked official on each crew in the first round did not work in the second round in 31/32 games. The one exception was 69 advancing over 67. That is remarkable accuracy! Also note how the crews are seemingly constructed for a mostly even strength by distributing the lower ranked KenPom officials over those 32 crews instead of putting them together. It appears that someone coordinating the NCAA officiating assignments is actually using these KenPom rankings to create and assign the crews.

The pattern continued in the second round as 6 of the 8 officials to not advance to the second weekend were the lowest ranked member of the crew. We could inquire if the two exceptions had a noticeable error in the second round game which prevented advancing.

Finally, the Lead official (best ranked by KenPom) on every single game in the tournament so far has advanced to the next round. 100% accuracy is definitely worth noting.

The four lowest ranked officials by KenPom advancing to the second weekend are Morrissey, Anderson, Clark, and Desai. Will those four be the alternates?

There's likely a correlation, but it could be that Ken's method of obtaining his scores is just a good way of estimating the evaluation and assignment process that the coordinator of officials is using, which is essentially what the quote suggests was his goal.

The rule is no different. I would probably go Common Foul and then have a word with the coach and/or player about it being borderline.

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Throw-in after made basket. The teammate who was coming from inbounds had not attained OOB status when he caught the ball.

I think it's the Center's play b/c the Trail is watching the throw-in. With 5 players in the BC, the Center should not have been that high. He should been down near the FTLE, and then it doesn't look like such a long-distance call.

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This is an excellent play to discuss. I would like to see opinions on this.

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(1H/2:05)--looked like his left foot was still OOB when he touched the ball

Should not have been a BC violation since the defense deflected the ball at least once (probably twice) on that play. But since a BC violation was called, it was administered properly with the shot clock set at 20 seconds and the throw-in from the 28' line.

I wonder why the deflected throw-in at 0:49 of OT wasn't reviewed. NW deflected it and FAU did not touch it, yet the NW was given possession. It would have been no harm to review and would have corrected an IC that went against the team that was losing.

I think they called the foul on the initial contact when both players were airborne and then he pulled the opponent down after they both landed. Assuming they judged it not worthy of a dead-ball technical foul.

I think the correlation is that these are the officials who work the best conferences, the best games. You would think those are who's seen as the better officials. It's why I included the rankings, though, cause I wanted to see how well they predict who advances, etc.

Clark is on the UConn/San Diego State game with Roger Ayres and Tony Henderson. Listing I saw has Clark as the U1 on the game.

My first reaction is that I would call it the same as the officials on the floor.

Randy Richardson is the alternate in LA

Morrissey in Boston

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Thanks. I found those on Twitter last night.

The correct term, from the actual contract, is 'standby'.
(Ask me how I know)

Ten minutes remaining in the second half of NC St. v Marquette.
The replay at 9:20 is fantastic.
The shot clock is winding down and NC St is struggling to attempt a 3pt shot. Take a look at what the offensive player does to the defender just prior to shooting!

Elite Eight officials:

James Breeding
Brian Dorsey
Ron Groover
Michael Irving
Byron Jarrett
Keith Kimble
Ray Natili
Brian O'Connell
Terry Oglesby
Marques Pettigrew
Doug Shows
Doug Sirmons

Final Four officials (9 working, 2 standby) are taken from both rounds this weekend.

5:17 remaining 2nd half Duke v Houston.
Offensive or defensive foul on the Filipowski drive?

Tammy Wynette (1968) ...
 

2:06 remaining 2nd half Duke/NCST. Travel?

Name (KenPom) - Last Final Four

Patrick Adams (21) - 2021
Jeffrey Anderson (1) - 2023
Roger Ayres (6) - 2023
Courtney Green (23) - First Final Four
Ronald Groover (7) - 2023
Keith Kimble (5) - 2023
Kipp Kissinger (4) - 2023
Terry Oglesby (3) - 2023
Marques Pettigrew (16) - First Final Four
Michael Reed (41) - 2023 Standby
Paul Szelc (18) - 2023 Standby

9 of the 12 regional Rs are working. 1 was a U1 on Thursday. 1 was a U2 on Sunday.

Despite all the social media nonsense, the NCAA and Rastatter must've been happy with how Purdue/Tennessee was officiated as 2 of the 3 officials on that game are in the Final Four.

Wondering what it will take for O'Connell and Walton to get over the hump. I think Ayres, Groover and Kimball are in a class by themselves.

I'd put Oglesby there, too.

A.R. 221 Ruling 3 and rule 9-5.7 address maintaining a pivot foot, which the Duke player did .

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Last year the two first-timers served as the Standby officials. If that happens again this year, the two Umpires selected would be the Standbys and the nine floor officials will all have been the R in the Sweet16/E8.

Rastatter clearly has a penchant for advancing his selected Rs.

Nit
 

Thought it was pretty cool that the Sweet Sixteen alternates all got to work last night. Not sure if that happened last year. I also think it was great that CR put Rastatter put Lamar Simpson our there after the Kansas play. Well done.

A tweet I saw this morning is reporting that the championship game officials are:

Anderson, Ayers, Oglesby

Game 1 - Purdue vs. NC State was Keith Kimble, Kipp Kissinger and Michael Reed

Game 2 - UConn vs. Alabama is Patrick Adams, Paul Szelc and Ronald Groover.

I did not notice the Alternate yet. Watching on small TV.

That leaves these guys as also one is the alternate for today and Monday.

Jeffrey Anderson (1) - 2023
Roger Ayres (6) - 2023
Courtney Green (23) - First Final Four
Terry Oglesby (3) - 2023
Marques Pettigrew (16) - First Final Four

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I also cannot imagine the two first year guys are working on the floor and certainly not the title games.

Peace.

I believe I saw Marques Pettigrew at the table as the standby yesterday.

It was hard to tell by the configuration fo the court.

Peace

https://twitter.com/MFinalFour/statu...abama-uconn%2F

According to this tweet, Pettigrew was the standby for the 1st game and Green for the 2nd. Standby for the championship is TBA.

Did they change that system? I thought they had one person be the alternate/standby for all of Saturday and then the other standby is there for the Championship game?

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I'm just listing them both. If only one is there tonight, I'll list that. I don't know why you wouldn't just keep both -- if one goes down you'd still have one at the table.

I know that, I was just wondering if anyone noticed this was a change in practice. Maybe it was done this way, I just did not notice it or remember seeing the alternate on Saturday there for both games. But I am getting older and the memory is not as sharp on these kinds of things anymore. :D

Peace

Can confirm that, for at least the 4 first round games in Memphis, there was a single standby official working a very long day...

For the sites in the other rounds, the standby is for the entire session or weekend in most cases. I am talking only about the Final Four and what they do on Saturday and Monday.

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