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2024 NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire ...
Part I – Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. Requiring the shot clock operator to sit at the scorer’s and timer’s table, if using a shot clock. 2. Clarifying that teammates must all wear like-colored uniform bottoms but may wear multiple styles. 3. Eliminating the one-and-one for common fouls beginning with the seventh team foul in the half and establishing the bonus as two free throws awarded for a common foul beginning with the team’s fifth foul in each quarter and resetting the fouls at the end of each quarter. 4. Establishing four throw-in spots when a team is retaining or gaining team control in its frontcourt due to a violation, a common foul prior to the bonus, or other stoppages in play other than an out of bounds. 5. Allowing the official administering a throw-in to the wrong team to correct the mistake before the first dead ball after the ball becomes live unless there is a change of possession. 6. Allowing a player to step out of bounds without penalty unless they are the first player to touch the ball after returning to the court or if they left the court to avoid a violation. Part II – Observations – Have You Seen In Your Area? 1. An increase in the number of fouls committed at the end of each quarter in order to prevent an opponent from scoring if the bonus is not in effect (team has not reached its fifth team foul). 2. An increase in concern around the length of players’ fingernails. 3. Players using face paint and/or hair glitter. 4. An increase in unsporting or confrontational behavior by fans toward officials. 5. A decrease in unsporting or confrontational behavior by fans toward officials. 6. An increase in unsporting or confrontational behavior by coaches toward officials. 7. A decrease in unsporting or confrontational behavior by coaches toward officials. 8. An increase in unsporting or confrontational behavior by players toward officials. 9. A decrease in unsporting or confrontational behavior by players toward officials. Part III – About Rules For 2024-25 – Would You Favor? 1. Requiring the game clock to stop after a made basket in the last minute of the game and overtime. 2. Requiring the visiting team jersey to be white and the home team jersey to be a contrasting dark color. 3. Limiting the head coach to only request a time-out during a dead-ball situation. 4. Removing coaching box privileges from the head coach only when the head coach receives a direct technical foul and allowing the head coach the use of the coaching box after an indirect technical foul. 5. Returning to a bonus free throw after the seventh team foul that allows a second free throw only when the first attempt is successful and two free throws after the tenth team foul each quarter. 6. Allowing a bonus free throw after the fourth team foul that allows a second free throw only when the first attempt is successful and two free throws after the sixth team foul each quarter. 7. Awarding two free throws after the sixth team foul and resetting the team foul count at the end of each quarter. 8. Establishing goaltending when the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above the rim during a field goal attempt when the ball is touched by a player as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket. 9. Establishing basket interference when a blocked shot attempt causes the ring to shake causing an unsuccessful try for goal. 10. Eliminating the penalty for dunking during pre-game and halftime warm-ups. 11. Assessing a team technical foul for dunking during pre-game warm-ups instead of a player technical foul. 12. Using the 3-point line as the determining line for if the ball is inbounded in a team’s frontcourt from the end line or at the nearest 28-foot mark on the sideline instead of the imaginary line. 13. Requiring all frontcourt throw-ins to take place at one of the four spots used for violations, fouls and other stoppages. 14. Allowing a team to advance the ball to the 28-foot mark in the team’s frontcourt upon a time-out after a made basket, securing a rebound or a change of possession with under one minute to play in the fourth quarter or overtime period. 15. Establishing a violation when a team is inbounding the ball in the frontcourt and throws the ball into the backcourt to avoid a five-second call. 16. Establishing a violation for faking being fouled (flopping). |
Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (The Platters, 1958) ...
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Everybody on the team was wearing light pastel team color eye "black". I gave it a half of a thought for a half of a second (legal or illegal) and immediately moved on to much more important issues. Has this become the new "thing"? |
Colour My World (Chicago, 1970) ...
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For the past forty-three-plus years (probably longer) the home team has worn white (light color previous to 2007-08). If it ain't broke, why fix it? |
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MN and NJ have the home team wearing dark for basketball. I wonder if changing from home team wears white to home team wears dark would have an effect.
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MLB *traditionally* had the home team wear white, because it was hard for the V team to get the laundry done and the darker uniforms would not show as much dirt. That tradition has largely gone away.
Nos specific rule exists in FED, NCAA or MLB baseball. Or, any volleyball rule with which I am familiar. Or, it would seem, tennis or track or golf.... |
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2.1.2 SITUATION B: The home team's jerseys are light blue and the visiting team's jerseys are dark blue. RULING: As long as the officials can readily differentiate players of opposing teams, this is permissible. The home team should preferably wear white jerseys, but light non-white colors are permitted. NFHS Soccer: solid white jerseys for the visiting and dark jerseys (dark is defined as any color which contrasts with white) for the home team. NFHS Lacrosse: Jerseys shall be of contrasting colors for opposing teams. The home team shall wear light jerseys and the visiting team shall wear its dark-color jerseys. The visiting team is responsible for avoidance of similarity of colors, but, if there is doubt, the referee may require the home team to change jerseys. |
A lot of these proposed rule changes seem like they are changes for the sake of change and to justify having an annual meeting.
I'm definitely not in favor of additional changes to the team foul rule. I like it as is. About the only changes I favor are:
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I'm also curious how much of a difference a "flop violation" would make. The number of times I've heard "I am NEVER going to call a flopping technical, it's way too risky" or "I've only ever seen it once... ONCE..." is a fairly substantial number and usually cited is the question of how obvious it was. In HS games, many times flopping comes with a disadvantage to a team anyway - one of their players is distracted trying to perform a bad acting job while game action continues around him/her. Most of the time, an obvious flop is already handled as a non-call. In a lot of cases, just ignoring the obvious flops is likely to have the most impact. I guess it gives you another level of escalation if you need it between informal "hey, 23, don't stretch it" and the tech, but would it change any behavior? Have any cases where you'd use a flop violation or a "formal" flop warning that goes beyond an informal "knock it off"? Would you use it for crowd control? I can't imagine it's any better to accuse a team of flopping as a way of keeping the crowd from having wild reactions to poor acting jobs? What would make you more willing to administer flopping punishments? Video review proving it was a flop? Is there any particular situation you would have used a violation or formal warning for flopping vs. today's options? |
Works well in NCAAW. Applies to offense or defense. Give the signal when it happens, but don't stop play the first time. Report the warning at the next stoppage. On the second time, stop play and issue the T unless A has an immediate chance to score (or some similar words).
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I agree. This should also be the case in HS. At the same time, NCAAM initially had a warning for flopping, but that went away before the 2022-23 season. I'm willing to bet that the reason why NCAAM got rid of the warning is because they have 2 classes of technical fouls, not one, and thus felt that giving the player a lesser technical foul (Class B) with a lesser penalty (Class B technical fouls have one free throw) and resuming play from the point of interruption was enough of a deterrent.
NFHS does not have Class A/Class B for players, so making flopping a team technical foul might make officials more willing to call it. The alternative would be to introduce a Class B technical foul to NFHS, and reclassify lesser infractions, such as hanging on the ring, faking being fouled, and boundary infractions, as Class B technical fouls. That way, a player who receives a technical foul for faking and for unsportsmanlike conduct will not be immediately ejected, because the 2 technical fouls are not of the same severity. |
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I guess I can see the value of a delayed warning as an option, how much would it be used beyond more informal "knock it off" verbals? |
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I do hope that the NFHS will find an actual way to address flopping, because it has trickled down, but officials are reluctant to address it using the tools they have. I understand them, because calling a technical foul per the rulebook is a rather harsh solution, especially on the 1st offense. |
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I had three technical fouls all season—one was for hanging on the ring, another was for taunting (player to opposing player), and the last was for a player tossing the ball away after a traveling call. The coaches around here were wonderful. The players were generally good. However, the fans are idiots. Quote:
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If an official is getting fooled by a player "sitting down" I don't think I want that same official to be judging what is and isn't a flop. |
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That is why there needs to be more to whatever the rules says, because there are other acts that are flopping that are not block-charge plays. I had a play where the kid not only flopped on a block-charge play, he pulled his legs together to make sure the ball handler fell. That is why I called a block on his behind and did not care what reaction I got. Peace |
From these last two years as strictly an observer, defenders falling down pretending to take a charge is the least prevalent type of flop in Boys games We are getting all kinds of head bobs and jump shooters going to the floor. Those are intentional acts to try to fool officials.
It's not about poorly trained officials we wouldn't want to see on the court. It's about players doing acts that are deceptive in nature. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
The flops I have called this year have mostly been on shooters falling with no contact.
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Part III, Question 10: I was not surprised at this question, which would make the NFHS Rule the same as the NCAA Men's Rule (The AIAW and NCAA Women's has always allowed the Dunking of a Ball, Dead or Live) of also allowing a Dead Ball to be Dunked which the NCAA Men's adopted for the 2014-15 school year which was reverting back to the NBC Rule which was in effect up to and including the 1967-68 school year. Part III, Question 11: This question did surprise me somewhat because it would be reverting back to the Penalty when the Dunking a Dead Ball TF was adopted for the 1971-72 school year by the NBC. MTD, Sr. |
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If it is handled as it is in international play, the warning is signaled immediately and then reported at the next stoppage with play resuming at the POI. Subsequent flops are penalized with an immediate player technical foul. As other posters have stated, flopping isn't limited to the defense. Offensive players try to act as if they have been fouled. Also, shooters will also try to embellish contact that may or may not have happened - especially as or after they land. I had a play this year where defensive player flailed about after running into a legally-set screen. Not enough to call a T for faking being fouled, but it would have been enough to merit an official warning if it existed in the rules. Here is a 5 minute 10 second clip of various plays in FIBA competition that were ruled a flop following a prior warning. <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ekrdf_vHtxw?si=CjCmlMvwVk-MxLbN" title="YouTube video player" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe> |
I got halfway through the video...not sure why they felt the need to embellish. There was contact in each one - but I don't know how likely FIBA officials are to call PC fouls on those.
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I can understand it being an official warning that just establishes the next time as a technical foul... I think we can already do that with informal "knock-it-off"s, but I suppose giving it more weight makes it less argumentative when you do pull the T out. I was responding mainly to the specific wording used that would establish faking being fouled as a "violation" vs. a warning. I can see that for offensive flopping - stop play, it's a turnover and the defense gets the ball. It would also work on a shot - offense gets the ball on a made or missed basket without needing to rebound? But when the defense flops on the floor without a try, how would a violation be enforced? Give the ball to the team that already had it in the first place? |
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If flopping because a rule change, or a point of emphasis, I've got to really change my definition of a flop. |
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I will wait until they actually address this if they ever address this. Peace |
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