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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Dec 21, 2023 03:44pm

NCAA Men's/Women's uniform numbers.
 
This school year is first year that the NCAA Men's and Women's Rules adopted the NBA/QNBA and FIBA numbering system. I am watching the Navy at Youngstown State (Class of 1980: GO PENGUINS!) and Navy has three Players what were previously Illegal Numbers: 7, 17 and 99 (Pete Maravich and John Havlicek of the Celtics, and George Mikan of the Lakers).

MTD, Sr.

ilyazhito Thu Dec 21, 2023 05:31pm

I'm curious to see how college officials will adjust to this change. Maybe, once NCAA gets used to the change, it will also trickle down into NFHS.

Raymond Thu Dec 21, 2023 09:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1051768)
I'm curious to see how college officials will adjust to this change. Maybe, once NCAA gets used to the change, it will also trickle down into NFHS.

Instructions have been provided to officials. Adjustments should have been made back around Veteran's Day week.

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BillyMac Thu Dec 21, 2023 09:18pm

Working Hands Are Happy Hands ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1051769)
Instructions have been provided to officials.

Please describe the hand signals for seventy-eight.

jmwking Thu Dec 21, 2023 09:52pm

Anyone wearing 69 yet?

ilyazhito Fri Dec 22, 2023 08:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1051770)
Please describe the hand signals for seventy-eight.

Show seven fingers first, then eight. While saying "seventy eight".

BillyMac Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:40am

Two Phase Reporting ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1051772)
Show seven fingers first, then eight. While saying "seventy eight".

Have to go back to "two phase" reporting.

I have illegal numbers in my middle school games all the time.

Locally we don't enforce uniform (not equipment) rules in our middle school games (home need not wear white, illegal numbers allowed, duplicate numbers allowed, shorts don't have to match colors).

BillyMac Sun Dec 24, 2023 05:47pm

Fisth Number, Then Second Number ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1051772)
Show seven fingers first ...

How is this not viewed as twenty-five, or fifty two?

Scorekeeper must expect all two phase reporting.

Similar to the old one hand reporting (two separate signals) but with one sometimes using two hands for none, one, or both, of the two signals.

crosscountry55 Mon Dec 25, 2023 03:55pm

I don’t know why the sideways fingers for 6/7/8/9 aren’t the norm. Allows for single-phase reporting to continue. Would also seem easy for scorers to get used to if you just give them a chance.


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BillyMac Mon Dec 25, 2023 06:55pm

Unusual Numbers ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1051769)
Instructions have been provided to officials.

I'd like to see a copy of those instructions especially since these "unusual" numbers may eventually trickle down to the NFHS.

ilyazhito Mon Dec 25, 2023 11:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1051797)
How is this not viewed as twenty-five, or fifty two?

Scorekeeper must expect all two phase reporting.

Similar to the old one hand reporting (two separate signals) but with one sometimes using two hands for none, one, or both, of the two signals.

This is because the official combines a visible and verbal signal. FIBA resolves this conundrum by having officials display the tens digit facing away from the scorer (with the backs of the hands facing the scorer), and then having the officials flip their hands forward for the ones digit..

bob jenkins Tue Dec 26, 2023 08:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1051803)
I'd like to see a copy of those instructions especially since these "unusual" numbers may eventually trickle down to the NFHS.

2. Slowly state the color of the jersey and the player’s number
who fouled. Report the foul to the table with two hands,
indicating the number of the player who fouled. When the
number of the player who fouled cannot be made with two
hands (ex. 49, 67, 83) the official will signal the first number
followed by the second number while clearly verbalizing
the number to the scorer. The palms of the hands showing
the numbers should always face the scorer.

(There's a picture that goes with this, but I can't figure out how to post it)

BillyMac Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:59am

Clearly Verbalizing ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1051802)
... sideways fingers for 6/7/8/9

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1051805)
This is because the official combines a visible and verbal signal. FIBA resolves this conundrum by having officials display the tens digit facing away from the scorer (with the backs of the hands facing the scorer), and then having the officials flip their hands forward for the ones digit..

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1051808)
2. Slowly state the color of the jersey and the player’s number
who fouled. Report the foul to the table with two hands,
indicating the number of the player who fouled. When the
number of the player who fouled cannot be made with two
hands (ex. 49, 67, 83) the official will signal the first number
followed by the second number while clearly verbalizing
the number to the scorer. The palms of the hands showing
the numbers should always face the scorer.

Thanks guys.

Short of taking off one shoes and socks, it looks like the key is ...

... clearly verbalizing the number to the scorer.


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