Violation?
 

Player A1 has the ball near the mid court line in team A's BC. A1 attempts to make a pass to A2 in the FC but the ball slips out of his hand and bounces in the FC, after which A1 grabs the ball.

BC?

Does the 10 sec count stop?

Continue 10 sec count?

Start a new 10 sec count?

Nothing?

I'm trying figure out how one would think this is not a BC violation.

Backcourt Violation ...
 

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Yes, this is a BC violation as the action was not a dribble. As you have stated that the ball slipped out of A1’s hand, this meets the definition of a fumble and the play violates 9-9-2.
The 10 second count does cease when the ball strikes the floor in the front court for the same reason above—this is not a dribble.

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Frontcourt Player ...
 

Based on discussions that I've witnessed in some of my Refresher Exam study groups, because the ball never touched an offensive player in the frontcourt.

Three Legs Of A Stool ...
 

... thus 4-4-6 does not come into play.

4-4-6: Ball Location: During a dribble from backcourt to frontcourt, the ball is in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the dribbler touch the court entirely in the frontcourt.

Both Feet And The Ball ...
 

Due to an improper understanding of 4-4-6?

I agree with everything you said except the 10 Second Count. Once the fumbled Ball touched in Team A's Front Court the 10 Second ended.

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Am I not understanding this correctly? A-1 is in his backcourt and fumbles into his frontcourt where he picks up the ball. How can this be a backcourt violation? He is the only one who touched it in both back and front court. All this is from what I read is a fumble. He just can't dribble after he picks it up and I believe he loses his pivot foot.

He is standing in his backcourt. Therefore, when he recovers the ball after the fumble, it returns to the backcourt.

PS A fumble has no impact upon traveling or the use of a pivot foot.

It's not a dribble. So when he fumbles the ball into the front court the ball then has front court status. When he touches the ball again while standing in the back court, the ball then has BC status.

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Extreme Backspin Example ...
 

Agree.

Three Points ...
 

Wait a minute?

Unlike a fumble, is this considered a dribble, and as such does the "three points" (two feet and the ball) rule apply, thus no backcourt?

What if it was was a real un-intentional fumble (muff) after catching a pass, where the start of a dribble would normally be perfectly legal?

Would that also be considered a "dribble" (knowing that another (real) dribble would be legal?), and as such does the "three points" (two feet and the ball) rule apply, thus no backcourt?

I understand that a fumble after one ends one's dribble would be backcourt because the "three points" (two feet and the ball) rule would not apply.

That is a dribble and thus not a violation.

What's It Gonna Be Boy (Paradise By The Dashboard Light, Meat Loaf , 1977) ......
 

Nevaderef: I'm not sure which question you're answering, the deliberate backspin after a pass caught situation, or the fumble (muff) after a pass caught situation?

I am completely lost as to what you are now asking.

You asked if a certain action was a dribble and you were answered. And then you applied that answer to a question that was not asked.

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Sorry ...
 

Sorry.

Situation A: A1 receives a pass from a teammate while both are in in A1's backcourt. A1 catches the ball then intentionally throws the ball across the plane of the division line with backspin such the ball hits the floor in the frontcourt, and bounces back toward A1, who catches the ball while A1 is still in his backcourt.

Situation B: A1 receives a pass from a teammate while both are in in A1's backcourt. A1 unintentionally muffs (without ever holding the ball) the ball. The ball hits the floor in the frontcourt, and somehow bounces back toward A1, who catches the ball while A1 is still in his backcourt. A1 then starts a dribble while in the backcourt.

Situation C: A1 receives a pass from a teammate while both are in A1's backcourt. A1 catches the ball and takes two dribbles and then holds the ball, all while still in the backourt. A1 then unintentionally fumbles the ball. The ball hits the floor in the frontcourt, and somehow bounces back toward A1, who catches the ball while A1 is still in his backcourt.

4-4-6: Ball Location: During a dribble from backcourt to frontcourt, the ball is in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the dribbler touch the court entirely in the frontcourt.

Note: 4-4-6 says dribble, not fumble.

The deliberate throw with backspin meets the definition of a dribble.
A muff or fumble does not.

Hence, your Sit A is legal, while Sit B and Sit C are violations.

Dribble ...
 

Agree.

"Three points" (two feet and the ball) rule applies, thus no backcourt.

Backcourt ...
 

Agree.

Because 4-4-6 is about a dribble, not a muff or fumble.

No one here said otherwise that I can remember.

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Always Listen To bob ...
 

I was initially wrong.

bob jenkins, who is right 99 and 44/100 % of the time, was also incorrect.

A very rare slip up for him.

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