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SC Official Mon Nov 21, 2022 01:12pm

NCAA-W Stanford Excessive Timeout
 
I seem to recall a few years back that there was a certain contingent on this forum that advocated for ignoring excessive timeout requests under the guise of "good game management."

Fortunately, this crew did NOT do that in this game.

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BillyMac Mon Nov 21, 2022 03:19pm

Ouch !!!
 
10-2-3 Team Technical:Request an excess time-out.

In a high school game they are granted the requested timeout (sixty seconds or thirty seconds), a team technical foul, two free throws by opponents best free throw shooter(s), and opponents get the ball at the division line opposite the table.

JRutledge Mon Nov 21, 2022 04:09pm

Cannot ignore it, she turned to the officials and clearly signaled. She made that one easy for them.

Peace

chapmaja Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049294)
Cannot ignore it, she turned to the officials and clearly signaled. She made that one easy for them.

Peace

At least it wasn't in the NCAA Title Game (as a Michigan Fan I still hate that entire sequence).

BillyMac Tue Nov 22, 2022 09:09am

Game Clock ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049293)
In a high school game they are granted the requested timeout (sixty seconds or thirty seconds), a team technical foul, two free throws by opponents best free throw shooter(s), and opponents get the ball at the division line opposite the table.

... In a high school game one probably wants to reset the game clock to 4.1 seconds if one has definite knowledge.

BillyMac Tue Nov 22, 2022 01:55pm

Poor Communication ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 1049297)
At least it wasn't in the NCAA Title Game ... Michigan ...

Watched it live on television. I couldn't believe that the coaching staff and players had such poor communication.

I don't know NCAA rules, but if it happened in a high school game, I hope the official informed the head coach that it was his last timeout.

This single situation really had an impact on high school me. They request? The request is granted. No game management "games". No ignoring or pretending not to hear or see the request. No, "Are you sure?".

The only thought process for me is the "normal" thought process. Dead ball or team requesting have player control? If bench personnel, is it the head coach?

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Scrapper1 Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:59pm

Put me in the game management camp. It wasn't possible in this case, because the player's signal was obvious to everyone. But if I'm standing next to the coach and he/she asks for the time-out, I'm definitely saying, "You don't have any." If they really want it and ask again, then I'll grant it.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 23, 2022 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1049315)
Put me in the game management camp. It wasn't possible in this case, because the player's signal was obvious to everyone. But if I'm standing next to the coach and he/she asks for the time-out, I'm definitely saying, "You don't have any." If they really want it and ask again, then I'll grant it.

The problem is that some people think it's "good game management" to *always* ignore the first request when a team is out of TOs. Or to play this reasoning to *every* other situation. And, some think it's *always* "the rule is the rule and must be enforced, period."

The truth is in between -- and exactly where in-between will differ based on the official, the area, and the specific game.

BillyMac Wed Nov 23, 2022 02:02pm

Local ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1049319)
The truth is in between -- and exactly where in-between will differ based on the official, the area, and the specific game.

When in Rome ...

BillyMac Wed Nov 23, 2022 02:10pm

Intention ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1049319)
The truth is in between -- and exactly where in-between will differ based on the official, the area, and the specific game.

I've had many, many partners over the years tell me, "No more timeouts for ...".

In fact, I always do the same thing myself.

While I'm fairly certain that most are telling me this to let me know that another timeout will lead to a technical foul (my purpose for telling a partner), I get the sneaking suspicion that a few are telling me this to let me know that I may want to be prepared to "ignore" or "question" such requests.

BillyMac Wed Nov 23, 2022 02:52pm

Not Our Job ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1049315)
"You don't have any."

Didn't an official just say something very similar a few moments earlier in the game?

2-7-12: Officials’ General Duties: The officials must conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes: Notifying the head coach when a team is granted its final allowable time-out.

ilyazhito Wed Nov 23, 2022 02:58pm

I have not yet encountered that situation in my games. If I do, I will tell the coach when his team has used its final timeout. If there is then another request from that team, I will grant it, but at the cost of a technical foul.

BillyMac Wed Nov 23, 2022 03:09pm

Always Listen To bob ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1049324)
I have not yet encountered that situation in my games. If I do, I will tell the coach when his team has used its final timeout. If there is then another request from that team, I will grant it, but at the cost of a technical foul.

As bob jenkins alluded to earlier, when in Rome ...

Nevadaref Thu Nov 24, 2022 05:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1049324)
I have not yet encountered that situation in my games. If I do, I will tell the coach when his team has used its final timeout. If there is then another request from that team, I will grant it, but at the cost of a technical foul.

You have never had a game in which a team used all of its time-outs and you had to inform the HC that they were now out? Given how long you have been on this forum, I cannot believe that.

ilyazhito Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:37am

I have not encountered a situation where a team used a timeout it did not have.


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