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BillyMac Sun Oct 30, 2022 01:46pm
Normal Landing ...
 
IAABO Refresher Exam study group last week. We couldn't come up with a consensus on this question (below), struggling with the word "hesitates".

During a throw-in, airborne A-2 catches the pass after jumping from the frontcourt. A-2 lands with one foot in the frontcourt, hesitates and then places the other foot down in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is this correct?

Does the word "hesitates" somehow impact and negate this situation from being a "normal landing"?

9-9-3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.

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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Oct 30, 2022 05:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049096)
IAABO Refresher Exam study group last week. We couldn't come up with a consensus on this question (below), struggling with the word "hesitates".

During a throw-in, airborne A-2 catches the pass after jumping from the frontcourt. A-2 lands with one foot in the frontcourt, hesitates and then places the other foot down in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is this correct?

Does the word "hesitates" somehow impact and negate this situation from being a "normal landing"?

9-9-3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.

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Billy:

With respect to your question, I never gave it much thought because I only concerned myself with "...and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt." That said I would rule A2's actions legal.

I would propose that the last sentence in R9-S9-A3 should read: "It makes no difference whether the player's first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt." This would remove all ambiguity.

What say you?

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Since IAABO Board #55 went defunct a few years back, Mark, Jr. and I are now Indivdual Members and thus only receive the Handbook and the Refresher Exam but not the answer key to the Refresher Exam. When you have a chance this week could you email me a copy of the Refresher Exam's answer key. Thanks.

BillyMac Mon Oct 31, 2022 07:10am
Better Late Than Never ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1049097)
When you have a chance this week could you email me a copy of the Refresher Exam's answer key. Thanks.
We won't get it until sometime after November 18, 2022, the due date of our online Refresher Exam.

SNIPERBBB Mon Oct 31, 2022 08:39am
I see "normal" in this case as a player coming down without making any non-instictual manipulation.
If you can tell the player thought about it, we've went beyond "normal" landing.

I would be fine with just eliminating the last sentence of 9-9-3 entirely to prevent ambiguity.

Really would be an rare play in any circumstance and if someone does decide to play flamingo with one foot in the FC and then drop the second in the BC, one half of the crowd and coaches would be yelling for the BC and the other half would be holding their breath that you dont call it.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049098)
We won't get it until sometime after November 17, 2022, the due date of our online Refresher Exam.

Oakely doakely!

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:14am
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1049099)
I see "normal" in this case as a player coming down without making any non-instictual manipulation.
If you can tell the player thought about it, we've went beyond "normal" landing.

I would be fine with just eliminating the last sentence of 9-9-3 entirely to prevent ambiguity.

Really would be an rare play in any circumstance and if someone does decide to play flamingo with one foot in the FC and then drop the second in the BC, one half of the crowd and coaches would be yelling for the BC and the other half would be holding their breath that you dont call it.

I do not have a problem with my proposed wording for R9-S9-A3, because in my "humble", :p, opinion it would bring it in alignment with how we adjudicate R4-S44. While not exactly like the IAABO Refresher Exam play, see NFHS CB Play 4.44.3B for a similar situation of indecision by an Offensive Player who is in Control of the Ball.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:40am
We get paid to make those decisions.

We all should know what a normal landing looks like.

Err on the side of a normal landing if it's not obvious that it was an abnormal landing.

I hope no one turns it into a 2-hour long discussion during a rules get together.

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BillyMac Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:51pm
Trick Question ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1049102)
We all should know what a normal landing looks like.
Yes, we all know what a normal landing looks like in a real game, but what does it "sound" like in text on a written exam?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1049102)
I hope no one turns it into a 2-hour long discussion during a rules get together.
A dozen and a half guys in the study group. No answer sheet. Spent a few minutes talking about the relevance of the word "hesitates". Guy sitting next to me said to just ignore "hesitates" in the question. I kind of agreed with him. Others didn't agree with him, thinking that IAABO was trying to trick us.

BillyMac Mon Oct 31, 2022 02:17pm
I'm A Little Teapot (1939) ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1049099)
If you can tell the player thought about it, we've went beyond "normal" landing.
What about a player who during a throw-in, while airborne, catches the inbounds pass after jumping from the frontcourt, lands solidly with one foot in the frontcourt, incorrectly believes that to put his other foot down in the backcourt would result in a backcourt violation, so he consciously hesitates while trying to maintain his balance while remaining on one foot for a second, but end ups losing his balance and his other foot falls into the backcourt?

Is that "normal landing"?

bob jenkins Mon Oct 31, 2022 02:30pm
replace "normal" with "otherwise legal"

BillyMac Mon Oct 31, 2022 03:21pm
Context ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1049105)
replace "normal" with "otherwise legal"
In what context? Rule 9-9-3? A specific post in this thread?

SNIPERBBB Mon Oct 31, 2022 06:28pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049104)
What about a player who during a throw-in, while airborne, catches the inbounds pass after jumping from the frontcourt, lands solidly with one foot in the frontcourt, incorrectly believes that to put his other foot down in the backcourt would result in a backcourt violation, so he consciously hesitates while trying to maintain his balance while remaining on one foot for a second, but end ups losing his balance and his other foot falls into the backcourt?

Is that "normal landing"?
Dumb move player(s)... Tweet and move on.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Oct 31, 2022 06:32pm
Comment #2:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1049097)
Billy:

With respect to your question, I never gave it much thought because I only concerned myself with "...and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt." That said I would rule A2's actions legal.

I would propose that the last sentence in R9-S9-A3 should read: "It makes no difference whether the player's first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt." This would remove all ambiguity.

What say you?

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Since IAABO Board #55 went defunct a few years back, Mark, Jr. and I are now Indivdual Members and thus only receive the Handbook and the Refresher Exam but not the answer key to the Refresher Exam. When you have a chance this week could you email me a copy of the Refresher Exam's answer key. Thanks.

Comment #6:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1049101)
I do not have a problem with my proposed wording for R9-S9-A3, because in my "humble", :p, opinion it would bring it in alignment with how we adjudicate R4-S44. While not exactly like the IAABO Refresher Exam play, see NFHS CB Play 4.44.3B for a similar situation of indecision by an Offensive Player who is in Control of the Ball.

MTD, Sr.

Comment #9:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049104)
What about a player who during a throw-in, while airborne, catches the inbounds pass after jumping from the frontcourt, lands solidly with one foot in the frontcourt, incorrectly believes that to put his other foot down in the backcourt would result in a backcourt violation, so he consciously hesitates while trying to maintain his balance while remaining on one foot for a second, but end ups losing his balance and his other foot falls into the backcourt?

Is that "normal landing"?

Comment #10:
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1049105)
replace "normal" with "otherwise legal"

Comment #11:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049106)
In what context? Rule 9-9-3? A specific post in this thread?

1) Let me first reply to Billy's Comment #9. My answer to your question is: Since A2's footwork with regard to the Traveling Rule (NFHS R4-S44) is legal, my answer is: Yes.


2a) Bob: Your Comment #10 caused me to pause and think about what I said in my Comments #2 and #6. In my Comment #2 I proposed that the last sentence of R9-S9-A3 should read: "It makes no difference whether the player's first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.", while you proposed that it is should read: "The player may make an otherwise legal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt."

2b) Which made me think (Me thinking! What a concept! LOL!). Whether the last sentence of NFHS R9-S3-A3 reads: i) as currently reads: "The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt."; ii) your proposal: "The player may make an otherwise legal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt."; or iii) my proposal: "It makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt."

2c) IAABO Question 40 is easy to adjudicate , because we can apply NFHS R4-S44-A2a2, and every since R9-S9-A3 was adopted almost 30 years ago, every NFHS Rules Interpretation and Casebook Play Situation, NCAA Men's/Women's A.R. and Rules Interpretation, and IAABO Refresher Exam Question that I can remember always had A2 with one foot landing in the Front Court first followed by the other foot landing in the Back Court second, a situation in which A2's foot work is governed by NFHS R4-S44-A2a2. But not once (that I can remember) has a situation where A2, after his/her foot first lands in the Front Court and then jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both feet in the Back Court, a situation in which A2's foot work is governed by NFHS R4-S44-A2a3.

2d) A2's foot work in both situations in 2c) are legal with regard to R4-S44-A2 and no Back Court Violation has occured in the situation governed by R4-S44-A2a2 but is the situation governed by R4-S44-A2a3 a Back Court Violation?

3) Billy with regard to your Comment #11, I think that I may have muddied the waters. I apologize.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Mon Oct 31, 2022 06:56pm
Dirty Water (The Standells, 1966) ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1049108)
Comment #11, I think that I may have muddied the waters.
No you didn't "muddy" any water. Adding the word "hesitates" to the exam question "muddied" the water.

Enjoy.

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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Oct 31, 2022 08:54pm

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MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 08:34am
Flamingo ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1049101)
NFHS CB Play 4.44.3B for a similar situation of indecision by an Offensive Player who is in Control of the Ball.
4.44.3 SITUATION B: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or request a time-out.

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Raymond Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:21am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049104)
What about a player who during a throw-in, while airborne, catches the inbounds pass after jumping from the frontcourt, lands solidly with one foot in the frontcourt, incorrectly believes that to put his other foot down in the backcourt would result in a backcourt violation, so he consciously hesitates while trying to maintain his balance while remaining on one foot for a second, but end ups losing his balance and his other foot falls into the backcourt?

Is that "normal landing"?
How the hell do you know what's in that player's mind and that's the reason they stepped the wrong way? Did it look like a normal landing or not? Come on now Billy!!! Jeez

That's the kind of craziness that just derails conversations.

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JRutledge Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049104)
What about a player who during a throw-in, while airborne, catches the inbounds pass after jumping from the frontcourt, lands solidly with one foot in the frontcourt, incorrectly believes that to put his other foot down in the backcourt would result in a backcourt violation, so he consciously hesitates while trying to maintain his balance while remaining on one foot for a second, but end ups losing his balance and his other foot falls into the backcourt?

Is that "normal landing"?
Yes it is a normal landing. Time to move on. :eek:

Peace

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:13am
Reading Is Fundamental ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1049117)
How the hell do you know what's in that player's mind and that's the reason they stepped the wrong way? Did it look like a normal landing or not?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049103)
... we all know what a normal landing looks like in a real game, but what does it "sound" like in text on a written exam?
Let's go to the videotape ... Wait ... I'm being told ... We don't ... Never mind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049120)
Yeah, I know that I'm reading too much into the question, but I'm a forty-plus year IAABO Refresher Exam veteran (never getting a perfect score but often coming very close) and know that answers often hinge on one tricky "got'cha" word. IAABO Refresher Exams can be intentionally tricky (not sure about NFHS exams).

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:16am
No More Beating Around The Bush ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049119)
Yes it is a normal landing.
Now that's the kind of of answer I'm looking for to confirm my answer.

Thanks JRutledge.

JRutledge Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049122)
Now that's the kind of of answer I'm looking for to confirm my answer.

Thanks JRutledge.
It really isn't. You post this crap all the time as if everyone needs to worry about your thoughts of a stupid test that most of us do not take and you are not working regular varsity. You said you are doing mostly middle school right? Is this going to prevent you from working the middle school title if you get this answer wrong? Seriously, we have serious officials trying to discuss serious things and you are talking about what is a normal landing as if none of us can figure it out. It is getting old. I think you get some sick thrill out of this crap and you do this all over the page. We get it, you have to parse out every word or meaning of something, but do the rest of us have to be subjected to that all the time in every topic?

Peace

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:53pm
Middle School ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049125)
... you are not working regular varsity. You said you are doing mostly middle school right?
What difference does that make?

Same rules.

Middle school kids want to win just as bad as varsity kids, and they deserve officials that know the rules.

Yes, I have severe arthritis in my right foot.

Yes, I no longer run like a gazelle.

Yes, I have unilaterally and voluntary taken myself off the varsity list.

Varsity games "mean more" than middle school games in that wins and losses count toward something, post season play. Almost all middle schools in my local area are independent and do not belong to a league or conference, and don't keep standings. There are no post season middle school playoffs or tournaments. My lack of mobility should not impact varsity games, varsity standings, varsity seeding, varsity players, varsity coaches, varsity fans, or most importantly, my varsity partners. I won't allow it.

So, why should I not also give up middle school games?

My limited mobility must be weighed against my forty-plus years of experience; my availability to officiate difficult-to-assign mid-afternoon games; and my enthusiasm for officiating subvarsity (middle school, freshman, junior varsity) basketball games.

I've heard from many middle school coaches that they appreciate having a veteran official work their games, a veteran official who actually “wants to be there”. Most coaches smile and greet me warmly when I walk into the gym. They know that I know the rules, want to be there, and will give 100% effort.

Many middle school coaches are used to "brand new" rookie officials, some of whom don't yet know if the basketball is stuffed or inflated (some never will); or "washed up" guys who have never been a varsity official, or never will be a varsity official, who are there, not because they want to be there, but because they want the money. They just want to get in, get out, and get paid. Not me.

I'm four, or five, years into this now. I have yet to hear complaints. From coaches. From athletic directors. From site directors. From fans. From players. From colleagues. And most importantly, from my assigner.

I have told my assigner, on many occasions, that if he hears of any complaints about my lack of mobility from coaches, athletic directors, site directors, or my colleagues, to please let me know and then we can have a discussion about my future in officiating. Fewer games. Just middle school (not freshmen or junior varsity). Just girls. Or no games and just have me sell raffle tickets at the door of our meetings.

JRutledge Tue Nov 01, 2022 01:28pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049128)
What difference does that make?

Same rules.

Middle school kids want to win just as bad as varsity kids, and they deserve officials that know the rules.

Yes, I have severe arthritis in my right foot.

Yes, I no longer run like a gazelle.

Yes, I have unilaterally and voluntary taken myself off the varsity list.

Varsity games "mean more" than middle school games in that wins and losses count toward something, post season play. Almost all middle schools in my local area are independent and do not belong to a league or conference, and don't keep standings. There are no post season middle school playoffs or tournaments. My lack of mobility should not impact varsity games, varsity standings, varsity seeding, varsity players, varsity coaches, varsity fans, or most importantly, my varsity partners. I won't allow it.

So, why should I not also give up middle school games?

My limited mobility must be weighed against my forty-plus years of experience; my availability to officiate difficult-to-assign mid-afternoon games; and my enthusiasm for officiating subvarsity (middle school, freshman, junior varsity) basketball games.

I've heard from many middle school coaches that they appreciate having a veteran official work their games, a veteran official who actually “wants to be there”. Most coaches smile and greet me warmly when I walk into the gym. They know that I know the rules, want to be there, and will give 100% effort.

Many middle school coaches are used to "brand new" rookie officials, some of whom don't yet know if the basketball is stuffed or inflated (some never will); or "washed up" guys who have never been a varsity official, or never will be a varsity official, who are there, not because they want to be there, but because they want the money. They just want to get in, get out, and get paid. Not me.

I'm four, or five, years into this now. I have yet to hear complaints. From coaches. From athletic directors. From site directors. From fans. From players. From colleagues. And most importantly, from my assigner.

I have told my assigner, on many occasions, that if he hears of any complaints about my lack of mobility from coaches, athletic directors, site directors, or my colleagues, to please let me know and then we can have a discussion about my future in officiating. Fewer games. Just middle school (not freshmen or junior varsity). Just girls. Or no games and just have me sell raffle tickets at the door of our meetings.
You posted a test question that not everyone here takes that test. Did you get the answer wrong? And if you did do you bore them with the emails and correspondence that you do here? When we have test questions that are bad, we contact the people that wrote the damn thing.

I would expect this from a rookie, not someone that has been doing it nearly as long as me or longer. I get if a rookie has not seen enough basketball to know how to apply this basic rule, but not someone like you. And you keep bringing up these "what ifs" as if it helps the rest of us out.

Clearly, the moderators have left the barn. This used to never be the case or it would be addressed.

We get it you agonize over every single word on a test. But you do that here which is not the purpose of your personal social media page. People answer your questions and you still go on and on. My God man, doesn't this get old to you too? :rolleyes:

Peace

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 01:51pm
Seeing Is Believing ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049130)
You posted a test question that not everyone here takes that test.
But I actually have the test question in front of me and have asked for help. And it isn't cheating. It's an open book test and we have been encouraged to answer questions in groups with colleagues. We've even been given citations for each question (but no answers). Do I have any colleagues on the Forum?

As I've stated earlier, if this situation occurred in a real game, most of us would easily and immediately interpret whether, or not, a "hesitation" impacted a "normal landing", and not think twice about it.

My interpretation is to ignore the word "hesitates". No violation.

Still waiting for an explanation about the relevance to this thread of JRutledge's varsity/middle school comment.

Should middle school officials be given second class status on the Forum?

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 02:14pm
All Officials ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049125)
... you are not working regular varsity. You said you are doing mostly middle school right?
It may not be the same in JRutledge's neck of the woods, but here in my little corner of Connecticut, all officials (varsity, junior varsity, freshman, middle school) take the same exam. The score on the exam has absolutely no impact on one's assigned game levels, or number of games assigned (other than zero).

Pass the exam (80% or better)? Get game assignments. Fail the exam? Attend a remedial rules and mechanics class and then get game assignments. Fail the exam and not attend a remedial rules and mechanics class? No game assignments for the season.

JRutledge Tue Nov 01, 2022 02:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049134)
It may not be the same in JRutledge's neck of the woods, but here in my little corner of Connecticut, all officials (varsity, junior varsity, freshman, middle school) take the same exam. The score on the exam has absolutely no impact on one's assigned game levels, or number of games assigned.

Pass the exam (80% or better)? Get game assignments. Fail the exam? Attend a remedial rules and mechanics class and then get game assignments. Fail the exam and not attend a remedial rules and mechanics class? No game assignments for the season.
A bunch of information I did not ask for. I do not care what everyone takes in a place that is smaller in your entire state than the metropolitan area I live currently. My point was you could ask the people that made the test what they were getting at. We do that here all the time. Problem solved. But if you do not know what a normal landing is or cannot ask the people that are responsible for your requirements, that is an issue.

Peace

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 02:59pm
Why The Difference ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049137)
A bunch of information I did not ask for.
But I would still like to know why it makes a difference to JRutledge if the test taker is a varsity official, or a middle school official, or somebody in between?

Should varsity officials care more about their exam results than middle school officials?

Should varsity officials care more about learning rules than middle school officials?

JRutledge Tue Nov 01, 2022 04:20pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049138)
But I would still like to know why it makes a difference to JRutledge if the test taker is a varsity official, or a middle school official, or somebody in between?

Should varsity officials care more about their exam results than middle school officials?

Should varsity officials care more about learning rules than middle school officials?
You missed the point. If you do not get this question right, is it going to influence your assignments at any level? In other words, if you get a 100% vs a 98% is this going to change anything? If it does that would make some sense. But you always going around telling us you only work Middle school anymore. You said that when we were talking about the shot clock and the reasons for it. So if your life is not going to change as a result, then why would you not just contact the IAABO folks in your area and then get clarification from them. No one here that is not there is going to ultimately answer the debate in your head. A normal landing is just that. If someone, where you live, is so worried about that because it was on the test, they really are doing the profession a disservice.

I do not give a shit about middle school games. It is a place for the kids to learn the game, the result will be forgotten in the spring. I cannot tell you what games we won. Honestly, even varsity ball has so much of my attention because as time goes on you forget those situations too. But at least when you do something like win a conference in high school, there is likely a banner or trophy somewhere that everyone remembers. Heck, when I did that level I was trying not to call a travel every trip up the court. Not worry about the idiosyncracies of something I will never see at that level hardly. Normal landing is one foot after the other when in the air. If it is that complicated beyond that, way too much thinking.

Peace

BillyMac Tue Nov 01, 2022 05:27pm
Good Rules Guy ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049141)
If you do not get this question right, is it going to influence your assignments at any level? In other words, if you get a 100% vs a 98% is this going to change anything? ... why would you not just contact the IAABO folks in your area and then get clarification from them.
No.

It's about self confidence and pride, giving 100% to try to be a good rules guy. Study. Memorize. Understand. Incorporate into my game. Teach the young'un partners that I officiate with in my middle school games

I view the Forum as an expansion of my local study group.

My local IAABO board will not release answers until November 18, 2022. After that, if I feel I don't understand an interpretation, I can contact my local interpreter, who always will answers my calls.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049141)
A normal landing is just that. Normal landing is one foot after the other when in the air.
Agree, but as I said, some in my study group didn't want to ignore the word "hesitate", thinking that IAABO was trying to trick them (some even posing as flamingos), as IAABO has been known to do in the past.

JRutledge Wed Nov 02, 2022 08:55am
The point is we do not need all your head games in this or space the way you do them. If you are really struggling with the rule, contact the people that made the test. See what they think and what they were trying to accomplish by asking it. The reason I said all the other stuff is because I am aware of officials that have to get a certain score or they lose assignments or do not get the necessary points. If that is not the case, you're going over and over some issues that you seem to be the only one having is not helping everyone. This forum should be to help everyone, not a single person's neurotic concerns on every possible issue. So if this was the question you were so afraid of missing because it put you under a certain level to get further assignments, I would get that, but even then you are going about wrong for the audience that is here or remains here. I have my concerns with all kinds of things but you will never see me hash it out here without talking to people in my backyard. I stand by what I said. And I did not need pictures, a reference to some song you never heard of, or a response to myself to make such a point.

Peace

BillyMac Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:07am
Pride ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049141)
... if you get a 100% vs a 98% is this going to change anything?
I am very goal oriented, so it makes a difference to me, it's about pride in my work.

While our exam procedures have changed many times over my forty-plus years, with various consequences regarding number and level of games, the current procedure no longer has any impact on either number or level of games assigned (except zero games).

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1049134)
Pass the exam (80% or better)? Get game assignments. Fail the exam? Attend a remedial rules and mechanics class and then get game assignments. Fail the exam and not attend a remedial rules and mechanics class? No game assignments for the season.
That being said, with me being very goal oriented, and with the current exam procedures that we have in place, I find it unfathomable that I, a forty-plus year veteran, who many on by local board consider to be a pretty good "rules guy" (my email box is full every morning with questions from colleagues about the exam) can't get a perfect score on an open book exam, an exam that I have three weeks to work on, an exam that we are strongly encouraged to work on with colleagues (study groups are organized and set up by our local board), and an exam with a cover sheet distributed at these study groups that gives us rule citations for every single question (but no answers).

And we can take the exam up to three times to pass (we're just given a total score each time, we are not given the questions we got wrong).

How many Forum members have it so easy on such exams? With such few consequences for a "bad" score?

Plus, I'm a retired empty-nester with all the time in the world to check and double check my answers. I even double check the easy questions.

And yet, I get a few questions wrong every year. It's embarrassing considering the conditions under which I take the exam.

If I can't have a good understanding of the rules under these extremely simple exam conditions, how can I confidently walk into a real gym and officiate a real game under much more adverse conditions?

Especially when something "weird" happens?

For me, this exam is all about pride and self confidence. With my arthritic foot, it's all I have left. Pride and self confidence (and experience).

BillyMac Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049144)
... contact the people that made the test. See what they think and what they were trying to accomplish by asking it.
As I've already stated, my local IAABO board will not release answers until November 18, 2022 at the earliest. After that, if I feel I don't understand an interpretation, I can contact my local interpreter, who always will answers my calls.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049144)
I am aware of officials that have to get a certain score or they lose assignments or do not get the necessary points.
I get it. Used to be the same way here. Level of games (varsity or subvarsity). Number of assignments.

No more. With such high stakes, there was way too much exam cheating going on. There were answer sheets floating around that were not available to everybody, just to certain "connected" cliques.

JRutledge Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:13am
You just posted 2 other things and no one answered or commented. I guess you do not see this as an issue.

Peace

BillyMac Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:08pm
Normal Landing ...
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1049159)
You just posted 2 other things and no one answered or commented. I guess you do not see this as an issue.
"Normal landing"? I no longer see it as an issue. I agreed with my friend at last week's study group, ignore the word "hesitates". It's a "normal landing". I feel confident in my answer. Nothing from the Forum has changed my mind.

Citation from IAABO helped me with the answer to the question about extra players on the court. I feel confident in my answer, team technical. Still wonder how it could be or should be answered without the helpful citation given by IAABO (not the NFHS).

Thanks to bob jenkins' post ("timeout must be requested for the specific purpose"), I'm confident in my answer to the "error discovered during a timeout" question.

Now I'm down to two questions, both regarding the words "basket/ring" and "backboard".

I'm leaning certain ways on both, but I'm still not 100% confident in my answers and not quite ready to submit my answers to those.

Feel free to offer an opinion.


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