Live Ball Timeout, Or Travel ???
 

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Live Ball Timeout, Or Not ???
 

I saw that this morning. Rich….what’s the word up there in Wisconsin?

I didn’t exactly see the coach obviously asking for timeout, and if it was the player making the request, it sure was clumsy.

Not sure if the crew got together. Would definitely have been a good time to. Player may have been shouting timeout to the lead 45 feet in front of her without realizing that the trail was 5 feet behind.

Was it a travel? Only if you consider a carry, and that wasn’t the signal given. Maybe an illegal dribble. But the trail is as already stopping the clock when that happened.

And those mechanics…..ugh. In a sectional semifinal, no less. But hey, at least the crew wasn’t replaced at halftime.


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I don't understand the title of your thread, but anyway...

that is just really not good at all. Taking the time-out portion of the play out of the equation, where was the travel? The official doesn't look like he can see the ball from where he is positioned.

Illegal Dribble ???
 

Definitely not a travel.

Trail got straight-lined by the ball in the way, and thought he saw a two hand touch, which didn't happen, so his call, though incorrect, should have been an illegal dribble.

All the officials should have been looking for timeout request in this win or go home end of game situation (actually all end of game situations, and any other times when coaches "normally" request timeouts (major shift in score, runs by other team, etc.)).

No need for a visual timeout request, it can be oral, or visual.

Grants and signals a player’s/head coach’s oral or visual request for a time-out ...

Player request made this easy. No need to decide if the correct coach, or the correct team is making the timeout request, or if the player is dribbling or holding.

Watched the full game video. White coach definitely deserved the technical foul. She threw her clipboard and followed it by throwing her marker, maybe a little too early, should have waited another second or so for the officials to possibly get together and talk it over. If the officials don't get together to discuss, then she can lose her mind if she so desires. Who can blame her?

Tête-à-Tête ...
 

Officials never got together to discuss the timeout request, or the "travel" call.

Two officials had a one second meeting at Red's free throw line before Red's first free throw for the technical foul.

Also don't like that during the 2nd Red free throw there is one White player and 3 Red players in the back court and the Trail is completely oblivious to it. He is staring at the free throw lane even thought there are no other offensive players there except the shooter.

Yeah, the signal and posture definitely don't help with the overall impression one gets of that play.

Big Or Small ...
 

If the White coach made the request, she made herself "small", nonchalantly kneeling in front of her bench.

Coaches need to be "big" in these situations, standing and yelling.

No rule that says she has to, but it would have helped here.

Moe Szyslak: "I'm Lookin' For Ben Dover” …
 

Tell my trainees all the time to not bend over on a travel call. Why do they always think that the "bend over" is necessary?

I caught myself doing that on video this year. Fixed it overnight. Looked ten times worse on video than it felt in person. I might as well have been bowing to my sensei.

I think there’s a subconscious fear of one’s rolling arms being impeded by one’s torso, so leaning over makes it feel more natural. Have to get comfortable with extending your elbows out and standing tall.


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Asked And Answered ...
 

... By watching this guy.

Come On Baby Let's Do The Travel ...
 

... Take me by my little hand, And go like this.

One of those 1960's dance crazes.

He did what a lot of officials do. He called a travel based on how it looked rather than what it was happening.

Peace

I agree, they often help create the issue. If you are calling a timeout be visible and get off the floor.

And even the dribbler seemed like she was in between doing things as well, which did not help. But you cannot call something you do not see. You just cannot. He guessed and called what was "funny" looking and it was. But do better and get closer to the play. It is girls basketball, he could have gotten close or been at least beside her.

I hate it when things happen like this.

Peace

Perfect Storm, Officials, Coach, Player ...
 

... all could have done better.

Agree.

... plant a pivot foot, hold the ball firmly, and request (orally and/or visually) a timeout.

I have to state first I'm coaching not officiating. But my question would be two-fold; one, did the player actually stop dribbling because I believe the HS book is fairly clear that traveling cannot occur during dribbling and two, isn't the trailing official obstructed such that he should only be calling what he does see and not what he thinks he sees?

What He Thinks He Sees ...
 

She didn't stop dribbling.

You got that right.

Live Ball Timeout, Or Travel ???
 

He had an opportunity to grant a request for a timeout (as he should have been prepared to do if requested), or to call a "travel" violation.

In my opinion ...

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I would have granted the timeout request. The player had control of the ball and was the one who made the request. I would have blown the whistle, said, "Timeout, white", designated the spot, and sent the teams to their benches. I would then report the timeout and tell my partners about the situation. If needed, I would blow the whistle multiple times to ensure all action stops.

Realistic Possibilities ...
 

Easy to do if you weren't the trail official who made the incorrect call. Trail didn't see it that way. That can't be undone, unless ... Maybe he needs a little help.

Two realistic possibilities here. Trail, thinking that he sees the player touch the ball with two hands makes the "travel" call. Both partners invite him to a discussion to take place away from the irate coach. "What did you see? Player touched the ball with two hands and dribbled. That's not a travel, that's an illegal dribble, but the penalty is the same. Did you get a good look at the two hand touch? Not really, what did you guys see? I was the lead, had a great look, and I saw her bring up that second hand, but she never touched the ball. You may have been straightlined at the last split second. Thanks for the help. Inadvertent whistle. White had team control, so White ball. Do you still want the timeout coach?".

Another realistic possibility. All three officials gather away from the coach. Lead (or center) says, "I heard your whistle, and saw your stop clock and travel signal, but the player and/or coach request for timeout clearly came before your violation. Sounds good. White ball. Timeout White".

No overturned calls here, just the Trail being offered help, and accepting help, from his partners.

The crew is only as strong as its weakest link, unless the weakest link has great partners.

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I'm imagining that I'm the Trail, and that I heard the timeout request from the player. I also see in my peripheral vision that the coach is requesting a timeout. I'm not making a call if I'm not sure what the player is doing with the ball, but since I hear an apparently legitimate timeout request from player, and also see the coach requesting a timeout, I will grant it.

1) If you don't know what the player is doing with the ball, how do you know it wasn't fumbled and then you couldn't grant the TO?

2) IF you imagine that you have sufficient evidence that there's is player control, then do you think the trail in the video wouldn't grant the timeout if he heard and saw it?

I'm not sure what the Trail saw to call a travel, so that's why I would not call one.

Serenity Now (Frank Costanza, 1997) ...
 

Hopefully this takes place before the coach decides to play Frisbee with her clipboard, and darts with her marker.