Game Film Access

[tnolan]

Is anyone using RefQuest?

Our NCAA group had it 2 years ago but then never used it.
It has since grown into a massive program for all things administrative within officiating, but it started with and still has some really nice video collaboration features.

I'd be interested to see if anyone has used the video portion and what they think of it from a user standpoint, as well as integration into board/group/chapter and costs, etc....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tnolan

Is anyone using RefQuest?

Our NCAA group had it 2 years ago but then never used it.
It has since grown into a massive program for all things administrative within officiating, but it started with and still has some really nice video collaboration features.

I'd be interested to see if anyone has used the video portion and what they think of it from a user standpoint, as well as integration into board/group/chapter and costs, etc....

Yes, I work for the owner/operator of the system. We get videos from there all the time from different consortiums or portals. We were the guinea pigs for the system a few years ago and it has expanded. It is not used for entire game review.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tnolan

Is anyone using RefQuest?

IAABO uses Refquest, but not as we've been discussing. Every few days IAABO sends out an email announcing a new video clip, or play summary (not the entire game) to those members who have asked for it (it's free, part of our dues, but not automatic, have to sign up, password protected). A question is asked about the clip (is it a foul, is it a violation, etc.), and members respond with comments. A few days later a play summary is posted by one of the four IAABO coordinators of interpreters.

It's an excellent program as used in this manner, but this manner doesn't allow you to view yourself. Other aspects of RefQuest probably deal with whole game videos.

I was posting these clips and summaries on the Forum (my "Fun With ..." series) until I discovered that I was violating some type of copyright law, and stopped before being put on double secret probation.

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes, I work for the owner/operator of the system. We get videos from there all the time from different consortiums or portals. We were the guinea pigs for the system a few years ago and it has expanded. It is not used for entire game review.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's an excellent program as used in this manner, but this manner doesn't allow you to view yourself. Other aspects of RefQuest probably deal with whole game videos.

So could a chapter alone utilize it as a training tool? Or the state association? And would it be a beneficial investment, rather than just reviewing clips/vids from YouTube, etc...?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tnolan

So could a chapter alone utilize it as a training tool? Or the state association? And would it be a beneficial investment, rather than just reviewing clips/vids from YouTube, etc...?

Sure, but it is a cost and would take a commitment. Indiana High School Athletic Association has an account and you can use it as a member official, but they hardly use it other than in some rare situations. So it is only good if actually used by the organization that has an account.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was posting these clips and summaries on the Forum (my "Fun With ..." series) until I discovered that I was violating some type of copyright law, and stopped before being put on double secret probation.

Who said it was a copyright violation? Clips of games for officiating training purposes should fall under fair use

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

Who said it was a copyright violation? Clips of games for officiating training purposes should fall under fair use

I was thinking the exact same thing. And it is not like we are monetizing it here. But I know on YouTube I get a lot of flagging for situations that are not exactly used for anything but for training but still get a copyright infringement notice. But that does not happen in other places, mostly YouTube.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Brad

Who said it was a copyright violation? Clips of games for officiating training purposes should fall under fair use

Billy was posting clips that were made by Iaabo (might have even been his own chapter). It was someone from iaabo who told him to cease posting those.

I have to agree with Iaabo, as they created content by clipping, editing, and commenting the videos. They added to the raw game film in a substantial way and it is not proper for someone to just take that material and share it with others without compensating the creator.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Billy was posting clips that were made by IAABO ... It was someone from IAABO who told him to cease posting those ... they created content by clipping, editing, and commenting the videos.
They added to the raw game film in a substantial way and it is not proper for someone to just take that material and share it with others without compensating the creator.

It was IAABO International and RefQuest Plus. That "someone" was the Associate Executive Director IAABO International.

It was a friendly conversation, but it was implied that if I didn't cease and desist that I could lose my IAABO membership.

The RefQuest Plus website that IAABO International uses has this clearly stated on the website: © 2022 RefQuest LLC All Rights Reserved.