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[BillyMac]

The Elam ending.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...-99/ar-AATTsV0

[crosscountry55]

What happens if the score is tied after the first dead ball with four minutes left to play in the final quarter or half?

Also, do dead balls following a goal count for where the clock is turned off, or does it have to result from a whistle sort of like a TV timeout?


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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

What happens if the score is tied after the first dead ball with four minutes left to play in the final quarter or half?

Why would that matter? As I understand it, you take the score of team with the most points (both in your case) and add 8 to that to come up with the target score. If they're tied, it essentially becomes a first-to-8 wins.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Also, do dead balls following a goal count for where the clock is turned off, or does it have to result from a whistle sort of like a TV timeout?

Good question. I could see either option.

[crosscountry55]

Good point on #1. #2 remains an open question.

New open question: Principle #4 days, “The game must be won on a made basket (or free throw).” Does this somehow exclude awarded goals or live balls that just happen to enter a basket?

So many questions. But overall I really like this concoction.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The Elam ending.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...-99/ar-AATTsV0

Is this going to change the way we officiate basketball games?

If not, I really don't care what they do.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Is this going to change the way we officiate basketball games?

If not, I really don't care what they do.

I don’t think it would change how we officiate.

It might make it easier, though. I sure wouldn’t miss those end-of-game situations where it is clearly in the losing team’s interest to foul, and yet when a player touch fouls and gets a quick whistle, they still react with the same expression of incredulity as a four-year-old whose teddy bear you just stole.

But I do wonder if a sub-strategy would evolve in a close game right before the four minute point where teams jockeying for position to get that eight-point “bump” might not do some drastic things.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It might make it easier, though. I sure wouldn’t miss those end-of-game situations where it is clearly in the losing team’s interest to foul, and yet when a player touch fouls and gets a quick whistle, they still react with the same expression of incredulity as a four-year-old whose teddy bear you just stole.

Agree. Fewer intentional unintentional fouls. Less weighing the value of ignoring a touch foul (fouls that we've likely ignored all game long) because one team wants the clock to keep moving, against the other team frustrated that we aren't calling touch fouls so they foul harder to stop the clock. Fewer early touch fouls called that may cancel a legitimate steal. Fewer parades to the free throw line. Fewer free throw shooting contests.

At this point it's a gimmick, but it's an interesting gimmick.

[Pantherdreams]

I like lots of things about ELAM ending. Only major issue i see is most games I've seen use it also have a shot clock.

Without a shot clock though does this encourage more teams to stall until they get to the ending. ie. I just need my best 5 to win 8ish pt game with no finite time if I can get to that point with the score close. Get my best 5 fresh and out of foul trouble to an ending not determined by time . . .?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

... if I can get to that point with the score close.

... The point of any "stall game" without a shot clock. Many hate stall games. I'm a fan of an occasional "stall game". It's like chess on a basketball court.

Just had a discussion with the father of a player (his granddaughter was playing in my middle school game) who participated in a famous "stall game" that happened over thirty-five years ago (I had stuck around to watch after officiating the junior varsity game). As we discussed it we both remembered it in detail as if it had happened last week. His son's team, the very, very highly favored team (with a few Division I prospects) won, but just barely. "How did that coach get teenage boys to not shoot, but to pass and dribble without violating or somehow turning the ball over for almost the entire game?"

[hoopologist]

Nooooooooooooo

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The Elam ending.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...-99/ar-AATTsV0