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BillyMac Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:09pm

Why We Don't Hang Around For Handshakes ...
 
With apologies to our brother and sister officials in Massachusetts.

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Raymond Mon Feb 21, 2022 05:12pm

Every time there's a post game fight we have the same type of post.

Really not much to elaborate on in this situation.

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BillyMac Mon Feb 21, 2022 05:42pm

Ugly ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047057)
Really not much to elaborate on in this situation.

Only one word required: Ugly.

ilyazhito Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:50pm

If stuff like this happens in the handshake line, MIAA should reconsider having the officials around, especially if, contrary to the rules, the officials do not have any authority to administer sanctions to any offenders. What is the process to propose changes to MIAA rules?

BillyMac Tue Feb 22, 2022 01:09pm

The Bay State ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047068)
If stuff like this happens in the handshake line, MIAA should reconsider having the officials around, especially if, contrary to the rules, the officials do not have any authority to administer sanctions to any offenders. What is the process to propose changes to MIAA rules?

Spoke to a few Massachusetts guys at the IAABO Fall Seminar this past year.

Getting rid of the requirement to "hang around" has as much of a chance as a snowball in Hell.

While officials can't administer penalties (technical fouls) during this "handshake" period, they can, and do, report unsporting behavior to the MIAA, which hands down sanctions, often quite severe.

ilyazhito Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:02am

What is MIAA's reasoning? I don't see a valid reason for the officials to stay on the court and be a target for disgruntled participants or fans. I was nearly assaulted after a playoff game in DC this season, so I would shudder to think what would happen if I had to work in MA in a similar situation.

BillyMac Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10am

Big Brother Is Watching ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047103)
What is MIAA's reasoning?

I can only guess. Possibly to have an unbiased, neutral stakeholder on site to encourage (and insure) that only sporting activity occurs immediately after a game, with the ability to report any unsporting activity to the state association.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/s...ident/2980341/

Scrapper1 Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047103)
What is MIAA's reasoning?

Consistency. All the other sports have a handshake that the officials participate in. They want basketball to be the same.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

ilyazhito Wed Feb 23, 2022 03:30pm

That is not the officials' job. Have security around to supervise the handshakes, and let the officials leave the playing surface after playing time expires. That way, they won't be a target for fans wanting to berate them, or worse.

BillyMac Wed Feb 23, 2022 07:06pm

State Association ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047118)
That is not the officials' job. Have security around to supervise the handshakes, and let the officials leave the playing surface after playing time expires. That way, they won't be a target for fans wanting to berate them, or worse.

Officials are more likely to have the ability to complete reports and send them quickly up the pipeline to the state association. Officials know the process during their jurisdiction, they also know the process after their jurisdiction ends, i.e. argument between officials and coach in locker room after game. Here in Connecticut we have both local and state reports to complete on dedicated internet (password protected) websites, to start such a process.

Do you actually think that security will really care about two kids, in the handshake line, jawing, using loud profanity, at each other for two seconds if it doesn't lead to a fight, or any type of physical altercation? Security might not care, but officials, and the state association, might care.

Rich Sat Feb 26, 2022 02:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047118)
That is not the officials' job. Have security around to supervise the handshakes, and let the officials leave the playing surface after playing time expires. That way, they won't be a target for fans wanting to berate them, or worse.


Your job is what they say it is.


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BillyMac Sat Feb 26, 2022 02:54pm

(The Lights Went Out In) Massachusetts (The Bee Gees, 1967) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047118)
That is not the officials' job.

It is in Massachusetts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1047161)
Your job is what they say it is.


BillyMac Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:17pm

Wave Instead ...
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/why-john-ca...104142594.html


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