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JRutledge Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:52am

"Cannot wait until......."
 
This has been a very rough year. I have noticed that all the officials I have talked to at this time of year have said almost the very same thing when you ask them, "How is your season going?"

Almost to a man or a woman, most have said, "I cannot wait until it is over."

It seems like that is a common thing this year. So I ask, is this your feeling about the season? Is this probably the feeling because of the Covid stress that has been added, or is this normal to most of you how the season has gone?

I know for me this has been a rough year and everyone seems a little on edge.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Peace

Raymond Thu Feb 17, 2022 07:06am

That is definitely my feeling towards high school basketball this season. Players constantly pushing the limits, coaches ranting and raving, and fans just being ignorant with their statements and being right on top of you. Makes it not fun.

I've enjoyed my college season. There was a string of games early in the season where I had to call a bunch of technical fouls for taunting. But as a season went along it seems like they "got it". Coaches are always so much easier to deal with at the college level than they are at the high school level.

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ilyazhito Thu Feb 17, 2022 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046955)
That is definitely my feeling towards high school basketball this season. Players constantly pushing the limits, coaches ranting and raving, and fans just being ignorant with their statements and being right on top of you. Makes it not fun.

I've enjoyed my college season. There was a string of games early in the season where I had to call a bunch of technical fouls on for taunting. But as a season went along it seems like they "got it". Coaches are always so much easier to deal with at the college level than they are at the high school level.

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Why do you say that? Is it because college coaches are more informed than high school coaches?

Raymond Thu Feb 17, 2022 09:20am

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Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1046956)
Why do you say that? Is it because college coaches are more informed than high school coaches?

They are more professional, more prepared, more concerned about their teams instead of officials, more cognizant of when they're crossing the line, more intentional with their communication, more willing to move on, more in control of their players, etc., etc.

BillyMac Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:14am

I Cannot Wait Until It Is Over ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1046953)
This has been a very rough year. I have noticed that all the officials I have talked to at this time of year have said almost the very same thing when you ask them, "How is your season going?" Almost to a man or a woman, most have said, "I cannot wait until it is over." It seems like that is a common thing this year. So I ask, is this your feeling about the season? Is this probably the feeling because of the Covid stress that has been added, or is this normal to most of you

Twenty percent of our 270 (down from a high a 320 three years ago) local members were inactive due to COVID this season, yet we had a full schedule to cover for over seventy-five high schools and many middle schools. So the eighty percent of us that were active had to cover for the the twenty percent that were inactive. This meant many doubleheaders, tripleheaders, and few off days for us. I just completed a streak beginning the day after Martin Luther King Day of 22 game dates (with many doubleheaders) in 30 days, something that I haven't done in many many years since I gave up recreation and travel games.

And I've had it with the masks (and I'm a mask proponent). I hate wearing the mask in my games, using a stupid electronic whistle, and I hate politely telling snot-nosed kids to, "Mask up", to be ignored because we don't have any mask penalties (sit a tick) this season (like we did last season).

The extra games and lack of rest this season have aggravated the severe arthritis in my right foot, making my officiating both physically and mentally challenging (as well as making my daily cardio gym workouts (I'm a heart attack survivor) very challenging).

It's gotten to the point where I'm looking at game clocks and saying to myself, "Please run down", even in exciting games.

And many of my games were assigned with little lead time, last minute changes (game assigned overnight for the next afternoon) due to COVID limiting the ability of schools to field a healthy team, or COVID limiting the availability of healthy bus drivers. Makes it hard to plan one's week.

I've been looking at middle school schedules online wondering, "When will this end?" (my local board had to politely refuse to assign middle school officials in two major city school systems due to our lack of available afternoon officials, so these two cites postponed their middle school games until later in the season, just starting last week and scheduling through March 10, 2022, about month later than normal).

Over forty-plus years I've occasionally gotten mentally "fatigued" in mid-February during a few seasons, but nothing even close to like this season.

BillyMac Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:45am

Happy Days Are Here Again ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aphilly02 (Post 1046958)
... requiring me to dig deep in my pockets so I am not ready to see the season quiet down just yet ...

The only good news. I'm flush with cash to supplement my pension and Social Security fixed income.

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tnolan Thu Feb 17, 2022 01:25pm

Can't wait until....playoffs!
 
Last year was rough. Covid pushed the season back a month, many games were moved/PPD/cancelled, pre-game conferences were different, and the on-court interactions just felt awkward or non-existent. All of those things combined just made the season feel wrong. Additionally, I was on call during playoffs so I had to close nearly all my dates, and ended up only having 1 game....that didn't go well, so it left a bad taste in my mouth during the off-season.

This year however has been good. I was looking to improve on that feeling from last year, hoping that everything would start to trend back to normal. Personally, I was able to work a few big local games, as well as some showcase Academy games. A good partner (who took last year off) is now back and being able to work with him is fantastic. I decided to take a break from NCAA to spend more time with my kids and their activities, as well as getting a new job, so my stress levels are definitely lower.

I "roller-coaster" emotions prior to and during the season. Assignments get released and you can see your games and crew mates and you're excited to discuss rules and cases and just bball in general. But then one or two bad games or 30 pt spinners and you're asking yourself "is this worth it?" But then better games or awesome partners can change that back to that exciting feeling. I find that discussing bball here or Friday nights at the bar or even during ABO Greg's FPF live feed on Fridays helps to keep the spirits up deep into the cold/disgusting/icy winter months of January and February.

This year however, we've seen an uptick in poor fan behavior. I personally have been apart of 3 fan ejections, have discussed at least 8 others, and 2 more than included coaches in our district alone, and I'm sure there are plenty others that I just haven't heard about. Additionally, there was another game that had to be called due to fans and coaches exchanging words and then punches/pushes. It is however that time of year, where bad teams know that they are bad and players may not have anything left to play for OR certain teams are fighting for that specific playoff spot.

So for me, as I ramble on and most of you have stopped reading already, I cannot wait until...playoffs. For this year, I have no closed dates and am expecting a full slate of games and hopefully be able to work with guys/gals that I haven't seen in 2 years.

JRutledge Thu Feb 17, 2022 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046957)
They are more professional, more prepared, more concerned about their teams instead of officials, more cognizant of when there crossing the line, more intentional with their communication, more willing to move on, more in control of their players, etc., etc.

This is actually why I like working college basketball to just about any high school. Maybe the exception of JUCO which is its own culture unto itself. JUCO coaches can be very immature and silly.

But all the other levels, coaches do not have the energy to worry about personal beefs the same way. Not to say that college coaches cannot be petty or silly sometimes, but that does not work well in the long run for them. They have to focus on the job at hand and losing that job can mean bit things are lost to them in the long run. They tend to be more focused and deliberate in what they communicate with you and even their players.

That being said, I have noticed a little edge this year with the coaches and players at the college level. Not nearly as bad, but just a little more stress from my perspective.

Peace

BillyMac Thu Feb 17, 2022 02:26pm

Unsporting ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046955)
... Players constantly pushing the limits, coaches ranting and raving, and fans just being ignorant with their statements and being right on top of you ...

Regarding unsporting behavior.

For most part, the subvarsity coaches that I've been dealing with for the past two COVID seasons seem to really appreciate officials for being there (as opposed to being inactive due to COVID).

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046959)
Twenty percent of our 270 local members were inactive due to COVID this season ... my local board had to politely refuse to assign middle school officials in two major city school systems due to our lack of available afternoon officials ...

Also, despite the fact that I'm hobbled due to arthritis, these subvarsity coaches, especially the middle school coaches, seem to appreciate having an experienced veteran official work their games rather than an inexperienced youthful "gazelle" who doesn't know if the basketball is stuffed or inflated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046959)
The extra games and lack of rest this season have aggravated the severe arthritis in my right foot, making my officiating both physically and mentally challenging ...

This season, only one minor problem with a coach for whom I paused the game and I asked to, "Tone it down a little", didn't even warrant a written warning from me.

Two players (middle school girl, freshman boy), in two different games, with two different partners, orally criticized the partners and in doing so included the word "f**k", and were charged with non-flagrant technical fouls by my partners. I heard neither, but if it had been spoken to me, depending on the tone and volume, I might have considered flagrant technical fouls.

Otherwise, a very quiet season.

SC Official Thu Feb 17, 2022 02:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1046962)
This is actually why I like working college basketball to just about any high school. Maybe the exception of JUCO which is its own culture unto itself. JUCO coaches can be very immature and silly.

But all the other levels, coaches do not have the energy to worry about personal beefs the same way. Not to say that college coaches cannot be petty or silly sometimes, but that does not work well in the long run for them. They have to focus on the job at hand and losing that job can mean bit things are lost to them in the long run. They tend to be more focused and deliberate in what they communicate with you and even their players.

That being said, I have noticed a little edge this year with the coaches and players at the college level. Not nearly as bad, but just a little more stress from my perspective.
Peace

As with anything, this very much depends on the specific league. The JuCo league I work in, the coaches by and large behave themselves (the commissioner does not tolerate nonsense and is vocally supportive of officials handling business), and the ones who don't move on once they get whacked. I would work a JuCo game in that league over a high school game 101 times out of 100.

I do agree with you though. College coaches usually don't take getting whacked personally, and the ones who get whacked every game know they are turds and have no credibility with the assigner.

SC Official Thu Feb 17, 2022 02:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046957)
They are more professional, more prepared, more concerned about their teams instead of officials, more cognizant of when there crossing the line, more intentional with their communication, more willing to move on, more in control of their players, etc., etc.

Totally agree with this. Every time I have whacked a college coach, he shuts up and focuses on his team the rest of the game. Whereas in high school, coaches intentionally act ignorant and want a dissertation on why they got a technical foul.

BillyMac Thu Feb 17, 2022 02:51pm

Ignorant ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1046965)
... in high school, coaches intentionally act ignorant and want a dissertation on why they got a technical foul.

... maybe because many (not all) of them are ignorant.

thumpferee Thu Feb 17, 2022 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046966)
... maybe because many (not all) of them are ignorant.

Ding, Ding! We have a winner.

ilyazhito Thu Feb 17, 2022 06:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1046965)
Totally agree with this. Every time I have whacked a college coach, he shuts up and focuses on his team the rest of the game. Whereas in high school, coaches intentionally act ignorant and want a dissertation on why they got a technical foul.

This must be very frustrating. It's refreshing to hear that college coaches tend to be more professional and more focused on coaching their teams.

Stat-Man Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:58pm

The roughest part with this year is that the middle school and CYO games that didn't take place last year are being played again but the number of officials didn't return to pre-COVID levels. Long story short, there's more games and fewer officials, so those of us who officiate subvarsity games are being asked to work double or tripleheaders. I've also been a last-second varsity fill-in due to illness and the overall lack of officials to cover games on the busiest of days. Recently, my CYO assignor was so shorthanded one weekend that he had me work three games at one site and, after a break for lunch and travel, had me go elsewhere to do two more games. I'm glad my season is nearly over because I've felt physically and mentally drained. (And I know this will likely happen again this spring because we're even more shorthanded with baseball and softball umpires).

Players haven't been too much of an issue, but coaches are definitely chirping more. I had a MS girls coach respond with a loud "Seriously?" when I called an obvious foul on her player. I've also had to whack a JV team's assistant coach one game only to officiate there a week later and whack the head coach after he made unsporting comments similar to those that got his assistant in trouble. :(

On the plus side, it seems like more ADs than usual are doing what they can to show their appreciation for officials throughout all of this. YMMV.

johnny d Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:17pm

I am glad that I no longer do many high school games. In the limited number I have done this season, I have definitely noticed a deterioration in the behavior of coaches and fans. Luckily, I am at a point in my officiating career that I do not need high school games, which has allowed me to adopt a philosophy of being as obnoxious to others as they are to me. A few examples: coach to me after I have just given him a technical foul for yelling across the floor about
a no-call "I would appreciate the professional curtesy of a warning."
My response to him "I would appreciate the professional curtesy of you not yelling at me from across the floor. Unfortunately, you are unable to control yourself, so here we are. Enjoy sitting for the remainder of the game." Another coach to me, after he has just been ejected for getting a second technical foul "I'm calling the assignor." My response, "Go ahead and call the assignor, but you are going to be doing it from the ****ing parking lot."

JRutledge Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1046964)
As with anything, this very much depends on the specific league. The JuCo league I work in, the coaches by and large behave themselves (the commissioner does not tolerate nonsense and is vocally supportive of officials handling business), and the ones who don't move on once they get whacked. I would work a JuCo game in that league over a high school game 101 times out of 100.

I do agree with you though. College coaches usually don't take getting whacked personally, and the ones who get whacked every game know they are turds and have no credibility with the assigner.

I am just making an overall observation. Of course, there are coaches at many colleges that are usually very petty and stupid at times. My point is it just usually does not get them very far acting that way and why some are not there very long (not just because of how they act here). I have had a couple of JUCO guys this year that were very professional and reasonable. Just not always the case. Heck one of the biggest jerks and unprofessional coaches I have had is a D2 coach. But in general, they have held to some accountability that high school coaches are not often held to. And just like you said the supervisor makes a world of difference as well.

Peace

crosscountry55 Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:32pm

I agree with the sentiment of the OP mainly from a workload perspective. Tonight was the first non-Sunday I've had off since 1/24. My slate was full from reschedules due to COVID and more recently weather. The calendar is a tyrant; the tournaments still have to start on time, but as many regular season games as possible still have to get played for accurate seeding. So it has been a crucible lately. I'm pretty worn out. Frankly, I'm sure the players and coaches are, too.

Other than that, it hasn't felt too different. I actually didn't mind having some of the a$$hole fans back in the stands this year. It felt more normal than echoes surrounded by dead silence, that's for sure.

BillyMac Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:25pm

Takin' Care Of Business (Bachman–Turner Overdrive, 1973) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046959)
... "When will this end?" (my local board had to politely refuse to assign middle school officials in two major city school systems due to our lack of available afternoon officials, so these two cites postponed their middle school games until later in the season, just starting last week and scheduling through March 10, 2022, about month later than normal).

Not soon enough.

After having four days in a row off (felt like a vacation), I'm getting middle school assignments for those two school systems, as expected.

Weird. Assignments in one school system are late afternoon assignments, as late as 4:30 p.m. Connecticut middle schools usually start games at 3:30 p.m. Why? This school system is experiencing a bus driver shortage due to COVID (I'm sure that there are other reasons). Bus drivers normally make three "runs" every morning and afternoon. In the afternoon high school students go home first, middle school students second, and finally elementary school students. All middle school games in this school system are intra-school system (five middle school teams, boys and girls each) games, so four gendered teams need buses on game days. Basketball teams are a low priority and can't be transported until the elementary school students are bused home.

Good news, these games are not doubleheaders.

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thumpferee Tue Feb 22, 2022 02:10pm

We had an official get accosted by a coach and the AD filed complaints on the officials and blatantly lied as did the coach. Any attorneys out there?

Too much power is given to these schools IMO

The schools hire us here as well as assign our assignor. :confused:

Raymond Tue Feb 22, 2022 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 1047090)
We had an official get accosted by a coach and the AD filed complaints on the officials and blatantly lied as did the coach. Any attorneys out there?



Too much power is given to these schools IMO



The schools hire us here as well as assign our assignor. :confused:

Prime example of why I'm glad I don't work in an environment where schools directly contract the officials and/or assigners.

My state our commissioners answer to the state high school organization. Any event such as the one you are referencing or a coach/player getting ejected gets filed formally with the state.

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JRutledge Tue Feb 22, 2022 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 1047090)
We had an official get accosted by a coach and the AD filed complaints on the officials and blatantly lied as did the coach. Any attorneys out there?

Too much power is given to these schools IMO

The schools hire us here as well as assign our assignor. :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047092)
Prime example of why I'm glad I don't work in an environment where schools directly contract the officials and/or assigners.

My state our commissioners answer to the state high school organization. Any event such as the one you are referencing or a coach/player getting ejected gets filed formally with the state.

The first couple of years of my career was being assigned games by the school which meant either the coach or the AD did the assigning. When I moved to the Chicago area, that was not at all like that in any way. Glad I got away from that model because it did nothing but cause conflict where it did not need to be caused and school personnel thought it was their right to address you directly. But most schools had ADs that were not burning those bridges despite what their coach felt or was going to do. But now everything is assigned by an assignor even if the school runs an event, they ask someone to assign the officials. Also no association for the most part assigns anything either, just the person that works for the conference. Much more of a buffer between the officials and the schools.

Peace


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