Huddle with coach during free throw?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not during a timeout or intermission: Legal?

As far as I could see, he occupied a legal spot on the floor before any opponents did. During a timeout or intermission, he certainly can't be there. But during FTs? I don't know what rule he is breaking.

Unsporting?

Unsporting to the point of a TF? I can't imagine that being called for simply standing in a legal position. Poor form/bad sportsmanship? Probably. Deserved a "knock it off"? Definitely.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

As far as I could see, he occupied a legal spot on the floor before any opponents did. During a timeout or intermission, he certainly can't be there. But during FTs? I don't know what rule he is breaking. Unsporting to the point of a TF? I can't imagine that being called for simply standing in a legal position. Poor form/bad sportsmanship? Probably. Deserved a "knock it off"? Definitely.

Agree. However doesn't "unsporting" literally mean "not sportsmanlike", or "bad sportsmanship"?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. However doesn't "unsporting" literally mean "not sportsmanlike", or "bad sportsmanship"?

What does the rule book say is "unsportsmanlike conduct"? I don't believe this applies. That's why I used the terms "poor form" and "bad sportsmanship". Yes, it's nuanced.

Shooting a three pointer at the buzzer of a game you are already winning by 30 when the defense is already walking towards their bench is poor form/bad sportsmanship . I don't believe anyone thinks it rises to the level of unsportsmanlike conduct.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

What does the rule book say is "unsportsmanlike conduct"? I don't believe this applies ... Yes, it's nuanced.

Agree. Most likely doesn't apply here. Just tossing it out for discussion.

Rule book doesn't really define unsportsmanlike conduct. It just give examples with the open ended qualifying phrase, "this includes, but is not limited to ...".

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... "unsporting" literally mean(s) "not sportsmanlike ...

... was the Funk and Wagnalls definition.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

Shooting a three pointer at the buzzer of a game you are already winning by 30 when the defense is already walking towards their bench is poor form/bad sportsmanship ...

Had this a few years ago.

Winning captain was teeing up his shot when I told him, as the trail, "Don't you dare".

He didn't shoot.

Had he shot the ball, I would have counted, or not counted, the three, turned away and quietly left the gym with my partner.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

As far as I could see, he occupied a legal spot on the floor before any opponents did. During a timeout or intermission, he certainly can't be there. But during FTs? I don't know what rule he is breaking.


Unsporting to the point of a TF? I can't imagine that being called for simply standing in a legal position. Poor form/bad sportsmanship? Probably. Deserved a "knock it off"? Definitely.

As long as that opponent is not making contact with or talking to any of the Team A players who are huddled up, I have nothing. There is nothing unsporting about standing on the court outside the 3 point line and above the FTLE.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is nothing unsporting about standing on the court outside the 3 point line and above the FTLE.

... during a free throw.

Agree. But eavesdropping is not a "good look" for the sport.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... during a free throw.

Agree. But eavesdropping is not a "good look" for the sport.

Huddling your players other than during an intermission or time-out subjects one to eavesdropping.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Huddling your players other than during an intermission or time-out subjects one to eavesdropping.

Agree. Just because one can do it doesn't mean that one should do it.

Under extreme circumstances I can see this possibly leading to some type of unsporting altercation.

Originally Posted by Altor

Deserved a "knock it off"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can see this possibly leading to some type of unsporting altercation.

So work to stop that from happening (e.g., go stand by the huddle yourself -- there's clearly nothing going on at the FT that the other official can't handle) and / or deal with it when it does. Don't call it unsporting when it's just one player being near another group of players or stop that player from being there.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So work to stop that from happening (e.g., go stand by the huddle yourself ... deal with it when it does. Don't call it unsporting when it's just one player being near another group of players ...

This thread reminded me of a near similar situation that I had decades ago. The huddled coach actually complained to me. I moved toward the eavesdropping player and told him (with no rules basis) to leave. Seemed to me to be the right thing to do at the time. Player left. End of story. Never had this situation again.

I never called it unsporting, just questioned if it could be considered unsporting. It pretty difficult to call something legal unsporting.

Occasionally, in regard to intrateam communication and profane language, Forum members have mentioned the "inviolability of the huddle".

The huddle is not inviolable all the time, especially during a free throw.

Originally Posted by Raymond

... huddling team who think they're entitled to tell an opponent where to stand on the court.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Just because one can do it doesn't mean that one should do it.

Under extreme circumstances I can see this possibly leading to some type of unsporting altercation.

The unsporting behavior usually comes from the huddling team who think they're entitled to tell an opponent where to stand on the court. The opponent is simply legally negating an advantage the huddling team is trying to gain.

I just stand by the huddle and remind participants to keep their hands to themselves and their comments towards their own team.

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