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BillyMac Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:50am

Fun With A Free Throw ...
 
IAABO Make The Call Video

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Is this a free throw violation? Did the defensive player commit a violation on this play?

Two choices: This is a violation. This is not a violation.

My comment: This is a violation. White #14 leaves the marked lane space by breaking vertical plane of lane boundary and enters the lane before the ball is released by the shooter. White #14 also enters the free-throw semicircle before the ball touches the ring.

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:52am

It is technically a violation. Since he is the only one I would call it and stop this from being an issue this early in the game.

Peace

BillyMac Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:00pm

Checking It Twice ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1044830)
It is technically a violation.

Barely. I had to look at the video twice to confirm my initial suspicion.

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1044832)
Barely. I had to look at the video twice to confirm my initial suspicion.

He does cross the vertical plane. It is not just about stepping into the lane. But again I said technically a violation and because of where he is I might call it. At the very least that is a "talk to."

Peace

BillyMac Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:34pm

Better Listen Or Else ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1044834)
At the very least that is a "talk to."

"White #14. Watch the lines on free throws."

Also maybe, if convenient. "Coach. White #14 needs to watch the lines on free throws."

Mike Goodwin Wed Sep 15, 2021 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1044830)
It is technically a violation. Since he is the only one I would call it and stop this from being an issue this early in the game.

Peace

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1044836)
"White #14. Watch the lines on free throws."

Also maybe, if convenient. "Coach. White #14 needs to watch the lines on free throws."

I can see this being addressed either way, both of which I consider appropriate for this particular play.

Raymond Wed Sep 15, 2021 06:52pm

Considering he is next to the shooter, I might be apt to call that.

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todd66 Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:13am

I believe he violates by breaking the plane of the lane line before the release. Call this now to stop the rest of the game

bob jenkins Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:21pm

I believe he violates by having his foot on the hash mark and this should have been fixed before the FT.

BillyMac Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:31pm

Gotcha ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1044850)
I believe he violates by having his foot on the hash mark and this should have been fixed before the FT.

Keenly observant. Before disposal? Agree.

I do this a lot in my middle school games. Before bouncing the ball to the shooter, I'll just point to the foot of the offending player and patiently wait. Eventually either the offending player, or a teammate, or an opponent will figure it out.

Middle school coaches and players seem to appreciate my patience and willingness to not participate in a game of gotcha.

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Raymond Thu Sep 16, 2021 01:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1044851)
Keenly observant. Before disposal? Agree.

I do this a lot in my middle school games. Before bouncing the ball to the shooter, I'll just point to the foot of the offending player and patiently wait. Eventually either the offending player, or a teammate, or an opponent will figure it out.

Middle school coaches and players seem to appreciate my patience and willingness to not participate in a game of gotcha.

I just tell them before I administer. I see no reason to stand around with non-verbals and wait. That's at any level I work.

BillyMac Thu Sep 16, 2021 01:54pm

I'm What'cha Call A Middle School Basketball Officiating Expert ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1044853)
I just tell them before I administer. I see no reason to stand around with non-verbals and wait.

Middle school players seem to enjoy figuring it out on their own, with the more savvy players helping out the novice players. Sometimes I'll even pretend to step on an offending foot.

Wouldn't do anything like this at any level of a high school game. Still wouldn't play gotcha, I would simply just point and say, "Line". These older high school kids know the rule, they just need a friendly reminder when they're momentarily distracted.

BillyMac Sun Sep 19, 2021 08:29am

IAABO Survey Says …
 
Disclaimer: Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...4iI9bGoQ%3D%3D

IAABO Play Commentary Correct Answer: This is a violation.

A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary. These restrictions apply until the ball is released on the free throw.

In this play, White #14 steps forward and has broken the plane while the ball is still in the hands of the free thrower. After entering the lane too soon, White #14 continues to move toward the free-throw shooter and breaks the free-throw line's plane before the ball hits the ring. Which is also a violation. (9-1-3h)

The Trail should step down toward the end line when the free throw is released and assume all normal rebounding responsibilities. While stepping down, the Trail should continue to monitor the free thrower and other players after the free thrower release the ball. (p. 101 6j,h) In situations such as this, the Trail would also be responsible for ruling on contact between the defender and the free throw shooter as it is possible that both a violation and a foul could occur. This can be a challenging play, as the Trail is also responsible for signaling to start the clock when the ball is legally touched if the ball becomes live after a missed free throw. Officials need to be aware of their responsibilities during free throw attempts and be ready to enforce the rules when fouls and violations occur by players in marked lane spaces.


Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is not a violation 75% (including me). This is a violation 25%.

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