Strange Case Continued ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

POEs are for the season for which the rule book is written. They are written because the rules makers don't feel officials are properly or consistently enforcing a particular rule.

Why would a POE stay in the book every year? I'll repeat this again, but an effective POE is supposed to disappear.

Are we going to question every single POE that has disappeared? Why are we stuck on this one?

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I do not think that POEs are just for what officials are not doing right. I think there are situations that need to be clarified to all participants. Of course we are to enforce rules and are more likely to look at the rules. But I do believe that there are things that coaches teach that are misunderstandings. I only say this because having been a football, baseball and softball umpire in my career, it seems like they are covering things that cause a lot of conflict with coaches and officials.

I think the reason the NF has now addressed Euro Steps and Spin Moves, is because coaches get really upset when you call these situations as violations. They do not realize that because it has a "name" it does not mean they are executed legally. I cannot tell you how many times I have called a traveling on a spin move and you would think I had never read a rulebook in my life based on the reaction of the coach and the fans. Then they tell you things that are not related to our rules.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

And I wish you would quit with this devil's advocate mission you seem to have assigned to yourself. We don't need a devil's advocate. We are intelligent people who know how to ask questions if we don't understand or want clarification. We don't need you running interference. To me when you ask these questions and create these debates, it's because you need clarification. Stop feeling like you're speaking for some silent minority who's afraid to speak for themselves.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Peace

Let me get my church fan.

[Raymond]

I've only had one situation where I was concerned a coach was going to put a player back in the game after suffering an obvious head injury. If the coach had put him back in, I was prepared to have a notation entered in the scorebook stating that the player suffered a head injury and his coaches made a decision to let him return to the game.

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[JRutledge]

Illinois basically says that we are to remove players for "Concussion like Symptoms" and tell the coach that is what they are being removed for. Then when they come back in they are to inform us that a "Medical Professional" evaluated them and cleared them. This is all supposed to go into a report called the "Special Report." We do not verify anyone's credentials or even necessarily need to get their name. If the coach tells us they were cleared, they were cleared. Then the state will review their procedure or the people directly involved. Almost never happens in basketball, but happens a few times a year in football.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've only had one situation where I was concerned a coach was going to put a player back in the game after suffering an obvious head injury. If the coach had put him back in, I was prepared to have a notation entered in the scorebook stating that the player suffered a head injury and his coaches made a decision to let him return to the game.

Even though this isn't in our Connecticut concussion protocol, it this situation were to happen in my game, I would contact my assignment commissioner, our liaison between officials, athletic directors, and our state association, as soon as possible and let them iron it out.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even though this isn't in our Connecticut concussion protocol, it this situation were to happen in my game, I would contact my assignment commissioner, our liaison between officials, athletic directors, and our state association, as soon as possible and let them iron it out.

During the game?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

During the game?

From postgame locker room, from car on way home, or from my home. Also depends on if I'm the referee or the umpire, and if I'm not the referee, depends if the referee wants to make the contact.

My local assigning commissioner wants to know if anything "odd" happens in our games, no matter how minor it may seem. He prefers to hear from the officials before he hears from coaches, and/or athletic directors, and/or principals.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From postgame locker room, from car on way home, or from my home. Also depends on if I'm the referee or the umpire, and if I'm not the referee, depends if the referee wants to make the contact.



My local assigning commissioner wants to know if anything "odd" happens in our games, no matter how minor it may seem. He prefers to hear from the officials before he hears from coaches, and/or athletic directors, and/or principals.

That's everybody... As well as common sense.

I was specifically talking about how I handled a situation during the game when I couldn't call a commissioner or supervisor or state board.

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