Celebration (Kool And The Gang, 1980) ...
 

It appears so because it's been changed.

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Situations involving contact above the shoulders are now in the casebook, as a supplement to the rulebook definitions of intentional fouls and flagrant fouls, where it probably should have been (or the rulebook) in the first place.

Now we've got something to show young'un officials and coaches.

Stupid NFHS. Always a dime short, and nine years too late.

The better to "pants" the officials on their way out? I gotta learn how this one started.

I Just Want To Celebrate (Rare Earth, 1971) …
 

Break out the champagne (or the sparkling wine for those of us on a fixed income, or the sparkling cider for the teetotalers).

Most officials are not people we see on this forum. And if you just look at this forum specifically, only a handful of people participate this compared to what I might see at an association meeting. Most officials do not come to social media sites of any kind to discuss officiating. It is becoming more common, but not something that officials do on a regular basis. How do I know? Because I can discuss things with officials and certain officials are even unaware that things were being discussed about a rule. I have pushed people for years to come to forums like this, but most do not watch them. Even my Officiating Born pages, it is usually younger and newer officials that are familiar with the platforms that use them. I have older guys even around my age that did not know I had a play library. So no, it is not something that most people do (Rome or not). Again the only place I have had this constant conversation about this POE is from this specific place. Not heavily discussed anywhere else that I go. I do not mind these discussions or this site, because I have been on them almost my entire career. Way before Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, or TickToc when the internet was new and a novelty to many. People did not even normally have the internet at home other than a dial-up connection back then. I am the moderator of a few local association groups on Facebook and we hardly have membership participation in those situations because people are even unaware we use them. Again the average age of officials is over 50 here and most of the people that use those forums are much younger in age.

Peace

There is a pretty universal standard in officiating in multiple sports that you buy things that are fitted. Same in football as no one would dare buy a hat that is not fitted (or adjustable). Same when I was a baseball umpire, you wore fitted hats. And there were other things you just did not do to look or appear like this was a profession, not a hobby. Some things have changed over the years, but not unusual. I wore a belt I believe my first year when I first started and bought pants at Wal-Mart. Quickly was told to not do that to look like you take this seriously and have not looked back. Similar to when they started requiring the collared shirt to go away. I started at the time when this changed within a year and people did not look back.

Peace

If Belted Pants Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Wear Belted Pants ...
 

Remember, my story is about Connecticut and only about Connecticut.

When I started officiating high school basketball over forty years go, most high school officials wore (black) belted pants. Only exceptions were the guys (it was only guys back then) who also worked college games, they usually wore beltless pants in both their college games and high school games (why waste money on two different types of pants). As the years passed by, many high school only officials noticed that the beltless pants looked pretty sharp and started wearing them, and the percentage of high school only officials wearing beltless pants increased year after year. Several years ago IAABO International outlawed belted pants and made beltless pants mandatory (not sure about the NFHS).

Here in little corner of Connecticut, being the rebels that we are, we decided to be outlaws and we still allow (black) belted pants (old dog, new tricks), but always strongly suggest beltless pants to the young'uns.

And no, we don't allow suspenders.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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I Do Use The Google ...
 

What are these Facebooks, Twitters, Snapchats, and TickTocs that you speak of?

I have to go now and yell at the neighbor kids to get off my front lawn or I will turn the garden hose on them.

If you do not know, that that is the point. IJS.

Peace

And Whistles With Peas Inside ...
 

... when you were through using them, you could plant a garden.

For IABBO guys here in Connecticut, it was a gray jersey (no cool black pinstripes back then) with a blue Byron collar and blue piping. And we could wear blue pants if we wanted to (but nobody ever did).

Jeff is 100% correct, most officials do not come to social media sites to discuss rules or plays. Most officials I know have never even heard of this website.

Love The Google ...
 

... and that is my point.

Note: I do know about them, but never use them useless somebody sends me a link. During the COVID lockdown, I did "attend" Sunday mass on our church's Facebook page. Very boring. My cousin actually got dressed up for her Facebook masses. I'm getting real good at Zoom, and I've always been a You Tube fan.

It is not about watching a long service or sitting in a meeting. You have to engage with your real identity to some extend and talk about plays and situations and even debate rules applications. Many officials have no desire to do that because also you will get challenged if you say something wrong or that others might not agree with. A lot different than this place for sure.

Peace

Eaten Alive And Spit Out ...
 

My daughter-in-law is a professor at Hofstra University, teaches media studies, and is considered an expert in social media (book and professional articles published, "go to" person for print, radio, and television news in the New York City market).

She advises me to stay off Facebook and Twitter (on any topic, not just basketball), tells me that I'll be eaten alive and spit out.

To Paraphrase ...
 

What happens in my little corner of Connecticut, stays in my my little corner of Connecticut.

I'll Do The Thin'in Around Here ...
 

There's a new sheriff in town.

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I didn't say it was for everyone. I use even Facebook for some very specific reasons. It works for me but then again I do not use it to say everything that comes to mind.

Peace

Faithful One Hundred Percent ...
 

“I meant what I said and I said what I meant.” (Horton Hatches The Egg, Theodor Geisel (Dr. Seuss), 1940)

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My initial two cents.
 

QI just now watched the video and have not read a single comment in this thread yet; I will read the threads tomorrow and address the comments made in the thread, but without reading a single comment I will now present the only correct RULING.

I have a Pushing Foul on W23. I can hear everyone yelling: WHAT!!! ARE YOU CRAZY!! Not in the least. Let me elaborate:

R23 secured a Defensive Rebound and W23 took a Defensive Position with his torso perpendicular to R23's torso. W23's Defensive Position was such that his legs straddled R23's legs and his body was just short of contact with R23. W23's position put him inside R23's Cylinder of Verticality which means that W23 is responsible for any contact between him and R23 that occurs inside R23's Cylinder of Verticality.

I am now going back to the Tampa Bay at Torornto baseball game on the MLB Network.

MTD, Sr.

Contact Above The Shoulders ...
 

Here's what I've gleaned from the three new casebook plays, existing definitions of intentional foul and flagrant foul in the rulebook, and the general purpose and intent of the old point of emphasis.

Contact Above the Shoulders: Player safety should be a high priority for all officials. In order to reduce concussions and decrease excessive contact situations, officials should consider penalty upgrades for illegal contact above the shoulders. Players shall not excessively swing arms or elbows, even without contacting an opponent. Excessive swinging of the elbows occurs when arms and elbows are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arms and elbows is in excess of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot.

1) Excessively swinging arms or elbows without contacting the opponent is a violation.
2) Contact with an opponent above the shoulders with a stationary elbow may be incidental (legal), or a common foul (possibly a player control foul).
3) Making contact with an opponent above the shoulders with elbows that are excessively moving is considered an intentional foul.
4) If contact with an opponent above the shoulders is violent or excessive, a flagrant foul shall be ruled.

Contact above the shoulders is not a problem in the game of basketball or at least not with elbow contact. Does it happen? Sure. But it is not an "every game" issue that takes place and we have to constantly deal with. Actually, some of the contact is not even an elbow, it is legal situations or situations that would involve running into another player like a screen. We have a concussion protocol and it is rare I have ever had to invoke it during a basketball game. We have to file a report if we send a kid out for a possible concussion or "concussion-like symptoms" regardless of the sport. I have even gone through most of a football situation and had no such protocols invoked.

I do not see anything special about these plays other than that is how we would have done it anyway (at least where I am). I said before I was in a game where a kid threw an elbow and hit his defensive opponent and we called an Intentional Foul after a PC foul was initially called. I gave information and the official agreed that we upgrade and no one said much of a word. No one went on about the language or the casebook we called what fit the wording we already had. It was excessive even if the player did not do something on purpose.

I simply think this supports what we would have likely done anyway.

Peace

Concussion Protocols ...
 

Connecticut officials are very fortunate in that we never have to deal with concussions. Several years ago the State legislature considered giving officials the responsibility of dealing with concussions.

Luckily, we have an officials arm (CIAC Officials Association, $13.00 annual fee) of our state interscholastic sport governing body (CIAC) that attended public hearings and lobbied for us. As a result, the State legislature decided that only health care professionals and coaches will determine whether, or not, players have been concussed, and how to deal with such.

Coaches at all levels of interscholastic sports (even middle school) must be trained (and periodically retrained) in concussion protocols. As officials we are told to only observe and advise, and we are actually told to never to use the word "concussion" in describing an injury to a coach, instead it's more like, "Coach. Check out number twenty-two. He may be injured". After that it's 100% up to the health care professional (trainer) and/or coach to decide how to move forward, officials have nothing to do with anything concussion related.

Permanent Casebook Plays ...
 

I like the "overturning" of the old (and controversial) Point of Emphasis, and I like that there are now a few "permanent" casebook plays to refer to for guidance.

With the old Point of Emphasis now moot, I'm now not quite certain how the NFHS wants us to handle an elbow in movement, but not excessive, striking an opponent in the head, it used to be be an intentional foul in the old Point of Emphasis. The new casebook play only describes making contact with an opponent above the shoulders with elbows that are excessively moving, calling for an intentional foul.

But I've been to lots and lots of rodeos, and around the block many, many times, so I'm pretty sure that I will be able to figure it out when it happens in my games. That's why basketball officials get paid the big bucks.

We do not deal with concussions other than observing and reporting incidents where a player might have concussions. We do not diagnose them and it is required by state law to be documented. Players play based on medical professional's positions and we just let it be known that there might be an issue. And we have to pass a concussion protocol exam to keep our license every 3 years.

But again in basketball, it is very rare. In football, it is much more common and you know when a kid might be likely "dinged" by their behavior after a hit or contact. All we do is report when a player leaves the game and report when they are coming back in. We do not diagnose anything. If the medical professional says they have not experienced a concussion we let them come back in the game. Just like you decide if a player is too hurt to continue immediately. Ultimately someone decides if they are medically cleared to play or not. Even the coach cannot sign off on a player playing without information from the medical professional. And since you love the rulebook, it is stated in the rulebook. ;)

Peace

Not My Job ...
 

2-8-5: The officials must: Immediately remove a player from the game who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion as in 3-3-8. (See NFHS Suggested Guidelines for Management of Concussion in Sports.)

3-3-8: Any player who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion (such as loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion, or balance problems) must be immediately removed from the game and must not return to play until cleared by an appropriate health care professional. (See NFHS Suggested Guidelines for Management of Concussion in Sports.)

Here in Connecticut, we ignore these NFHS rules. Officials receive absolutely no concussion protocol training. None. We don't even review the NFHS Suggested Guidelines for Management of Concussion in Sports.

By State law (that trumps the NFHS), properly trained and certified coaches and/or health care professionals (trainers) make all the concussion, or concussion-like symptoms decisions, not officials. Does the player have a concussion, or concussion like symptoms? Does the player come out of the game? Can the player renter the game? Can the player participate in the next game? All decided by coaches and/or health care professionals (trainers), not officials.

If there is no health care professional (trainer) present, as in almost all middle school games, and a lot of freshman games, it's all on the coaches, including allowing, or not allowing, said player to reenter.

As I said earlier, the only thing Connecticut officials can do is to stop the game and say, "Hey coach. Check out number twenty-four. She may be hurt".

Well worth my CIAC Officials Association $13.00 annual fee. Since they lobbied in support of officials at the State legislature, nobody ever complains about these dues anymore (as some did in the past). One less headache we have to worry about.

Note: CIAC Officials Association $13.00 annual fee (mandatory for all local IAABO board members) pays for background checks for new officials, gets us into all regular season sports, for all three seasons, for free (nice if one has children, or grandchildren, playing in interscholastic sports), and gets us into all basketball state tournament games for free (lets me observe and "yank chains").

All wonderful, but all I said is we report the incidents, that is pretty much it. If a player is hurt we already remove them from the game. If is involves CLS, then they just have to inform us we are coming back. We report similar to a teacher that can report abuse or other things with children. Simple and not a big deal honestly. It rarely comes up.

Peace

Legal Liability ...
 

Do you have a responsibility, as an official, to immediately remove from the game any player who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion (loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion, or balance problems), and/or to not allow them to return to play until cleared by an appropriate health care professional (not the coach)?

If so, that may come with some legal liability issues if an official doesn't remove such a player from the game, or allows said player to return with just a coaches recommendation (as in a middle school game), and they suffer more serious injuries as a result of continuing to play, or because of being allowed to reenter. That could be viewed as legally negligent behavior.

Thanks to our State legislature, we don't have that problem here in Connecticut. If a coach allows an inured player to continue, or to renter, that's 100% on him, and he can get sued, he's trained, he's certified, and not covered by Good Samaritan laws.

Not a Connecticut official's job legally. We're not trained, we're not certified. No legal liability. Thank you State legislature.

Also, regarding teachers reporting abuse, it may certainly be different in your area, but in Connecticut, and in many other states, teachers (and school administrators) are mandatory reporters. It's not that they CAN report suspected abuse, it's that they MUST report suspected abuse, or be subject to criminal arrest for not reporting (up the legal ladder) suspected abuse, and we've had a few arrests in Connecticut for such irresponsible and negligent behavior. Same mandatory reporting laws also apply to doctors, nurses, social workers, etc.

Legal liability comes when you do not follow the state law. This is not a personal or IHSA standard, this is a state law that involved officials in the reporting. No, we are not to go looking for signs, but if a player fell on their head and gets up walking towards the stands, they can be removed from the game as if any time there is an injury. That is why states have different laws and precedents of what takes place. All we do is report the incident and it is on the schools to explain their reasoning to higher-ups if they are let back in the game. The schools have an entirely different procedure they have to follow in order to be in compliance. Even if a school does not have a trainer or some medical doctor, then that just makes the entry of the game problematic. But if they say, "Mr. Williams allowed him to play" and they find out Mr. Williams is not a registered medical professional that can diagnose concussions, then that is on the school. We do not verify their credentials and doubt seriously we would even be liable if we reported the incident. Even if you did not report the incident, we do not have access to players that teams do. Part of the reason you have insurance in the first place is to deal with issues of liability. That did not change because of a law. It was already there. It is a requirement by law to have trainers and medical people at all contests with youth. There are things they have to do regardless of our role which honestly did not change. I am saying this as a person that officiates football and once did baseball and softball.

There was a famous case where an official in Texas ran into a football coach and the coach was in a coma. Long story short the coach got hurt and was the only one hospitalized, but the insurance company went after the officials for not enforcing the sideline rules. That is not state law, but because the officials were accused of being negligent by the insurance company, they had to deal with a lawsuit. The lawsuit was thrown out, but involved some time to litigate. That had nothing to do with a state law but an accusation of negligence. I am sure if someone thought you did not stop the game because of an injury and the injury was bad, I am sure you would could be sued either way if someone felt you did not stop the game properly. You are not a doctor there either. And I work for an insurance company so I can tell you that if liability is in question, they can and will sue to regain their costs.

When Hank Gathers died, multiple doctors and administrators got sued. Many people had nothing to do with his death or diagnosis and that included doctors in the gym at the time. I do not know what problem you think you are absolved from, I bet if you let a kid play that might have been suffering from something and they get further hurt or die, someone could decide you are not doing your job. Again, it does not mean they are right, but nothing you said eliminates your potential liability or assumption of liability. A law just has to be challenged in court. Until then, the procedure is irrelvant.

Peace

Billable Hours ...
 

CAN or MUST? Big difference.

Civil law legal liability.

Agree. In civil court, anybody can sue anybody for anything at any time. It's the American way. Even if one in the right, one still has to hire an attorney, and billable hours aren't inexpensive.

I still believe that my State legislature did officials a big favor by relieving officials of all responsibilities regarding concussions, and putting it on the coaches and health care professionals.

The State law has to (hopefully) carry some weight in civil court.

It was considered a big win for Connecticut officials when it happened several years ago.

"Hey coach. Check number thirty-four. He looks a little wobbly", ends the legal responsibility of Connecticut officials.

You are right. We are not responsible for kids that have a concussion. ;)

Yes, no one is going to jail over this unless there is a law saying you must do so and the violation is a criminal statute. Similar to like my profession you can be civilly liable for fraud, but you can be criminally liable as well.


I am sure the law in Connecticut can be challenged in court, similar to other recent laws passed by state legislation (masks, abortion, voting rights, school choice and legality of who can decide to do these things).

OK. Was not disputing anything your state does. Just telling you what our state does. ;)

State laws are overturned by courts all the time. It is based on if the law was written did not violate other legal statutes or precedent. Not a lawyer but I know when the state law was written here, it actually was said to help eliminate our responsibility and put a lot on the schools. Some lawyers asked for us to ask for more detail when a player was to reenter the game to cover themselves more.

Well, then you guys are doing the right thing for you. I live in a much more populated state with many more school districts so we had to do something I am sure to help protect the players that are students from being forced to play without a check-up or playing because they want to hide a possible injury. Either way I am good with what we are asked to do because telling a coach a kid is wobbly is not something I want to tell a coach. And again I do football where head injuries are common. I am cool with what we are asked to do.

Peace

Sticks And Stones ...
 

My state is better than your state. Na na na na na.

In basketball? OK. :rolleyes:

Peace

Hoosiers ...
 

Indiana? No chance we're better.

Continental Basketball Association Hamden Bics ...
 

Connecticut Sun? University of Connecticut Huskies? Does female basketball count?

This is not a serious question.....but here it goes....
 

I guess the question I have is better than what? Do you have more D1 and pro players? Do you have a more historical tradition across the board?

If the UConn Women's team recruited just Connecticut, would they even be a power?

I have worked the Nike Cup that is in Chicago at McCormick Place and I have yet to see a bunch of players going to top programs from Connecticut.

So what is the metric for "better?" You have a different law that makes little or no difference in our lives? LOL!!!! OK.

Peace

Higher Cost Of Living ...
 

Better game fees?

Probably. But we work 3 person for damn near everything.

Peace

The Land Of Steady Habits And A High Cost Of Living ...
 

I was just kidding. The high cost of living (and state income taxes) in Connecticut probably "cancels out" our advantageous game fees.

I would bet money you are getting paid higher than we are. That is becoming a big problem. Indiana pays more than Illinois too, so it is very possible you are getting paid more in your state and surrounding states.

Peace

Apples To Oranges ...
 

Connecticut Game Fees for 2021-22 Season: Scrimmage Fee: $150 (3 officials $50 each, 2 officials $75 each); Varsity Fee: $101.69; Sub Varsity Fee: $65.99 (Junior Varsity, Freshmen, Middle Schools).

Hard to compare state to state game fees, like comparing apples to oranges.

Connecticut: Annual dues of $110.00 (includes membership to CIAC Officials Association and IAABO liability insurance), plus additional assignment fees of 7%.

Mostly two person games. State income tax. High cost of living.

No mileage allowance. Most schools aren't very far away (its a small, compact state), but we do have a few rural schools, with John Deere tractors in the parking lots, that are more distant. My longest trip is one-way 55 miles, most games are much, much closer (but at least we can travel by car, not by by puddle jumper snow-landing airplanes, or dog sled teams, like Mike Goodwin). We also have infamous major traffic problems during rush hour, some of the worst in the country, with the Connecticut River (or Quinnipiac River, or Housatonic River) to cross and not a lot of bridges, lots of stop and go, or at best, slow and go, bottlenecks.

It always seems greener on the other side of the fence, but it often isn't.

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Another Update, Not Good News ...
 

Got another reply to my email.

It appears that the NFHS basketball committee is presently undergoing massive changes (including leadership) and the NFHS (through IAABO) may not be able to address these issues (vanishing casebook plays) in a timely manner before the IAABO Fall Seminar in a few weeks.

I have been assured by all four of the IAABO Co-Coordinators of Interpreters that with one of them having seat at the table for next year's NFHS basketball committee, this will be a high priority item and it will definitely be on the agenda for next year. There might possibly be a searchable online casebook with all valid interpretations, both past, and present.

As to the new NFHS shot clock guidelines regarding the start of the shot clock and the start of the ten second count, IAABO International will not deal with this and will allow each IAABO state to deal with this on a state by state basis, but the IAABO Co-Coordinators of Interpreters do agree with me that this is a rule/mechanic conflict needs to somehow be accounted for, but again, it will be on a state by state basis.

Some good news, at least we solved the strange case of the vanishing Contact Above the Shoulders Point of Emphasis, so something was accomplished, better than nothing accomplished.

Looks like I'll have more time to spend in the open bar hospitality room. Too bad that I don't regularly play golf.

Free alcohol, golf (with side bets), and highly competitive basketball officials, all far way from home. What can possibly go wrong?

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Never Use The Word "Concussion" ...
 

After reviewing this thread, and questioning the apparent conflict between NFHS and Connecticut concussion protocols, I asked our local Connecticut IAABO interpreter to review Connecticut concussion protocols.

All local Connecticut IAABO interpreters, and the Connecticut IAABO State interpreter, agree that this (above) is still the concussion protocol here in Connecticut.

Connecticut is a 100% IAABO state for all scholastic (high school and middle school) games.

This NFHS casebook play was cited.

2.8.5 SITUATION: A1 and B1 hit heads in diving for a loose ball and both appear injured. However, A1 is immediately removed from the game by the officials as he/she is exhibiting signs consistent with a concussion. Later in the game, A1 reports to the scorer’s table to reenter the contest. RULING: The rules permit A1 to return to the game once he/she has been cleared by an appropriate health-care professional. The responsibility for obtaining that clearance rests with the coach/school, and need not be verified by the officials (unless state procedures require verification). If A1 appears at the scorer’s table to reenter the game, the officials shall assume the coach/school followed the appropriate return-to-play procedures and A1 is eligible to participate.

"Unless state procedures require verification". What's true for Connecticut may not be true for other states, or localities, so check your local listings.

Regarding legal civil liability, I feel more confident now that I have the backing of my local board, state board, and the NFHS (as well as our State legislature) when I say, "Coach. Check out number twenty-two. She may be injured", and leave the followup to the head coach, especially if there is no trainer as is always the case in my middle school games.

Of course, as usual, and always, when in Rome ...

And remember, this is America, anybody can sue anybody for anything at any time, and if one is summoned to criminal, or civil, court, one needs to hire an attorney and attorney billable hours aren't inexpensive (even if one wins in court).

"Safety is number one priority" (Crazy Russian Hacker)

I've only had one situation where I was concerned a coach was going to put a player back in the game after suffering an obvious head injury. If the coach had put him back in, I was prepared to have a notation entered in the scorebook stating that the player suffered a head injury and his coaches made a decision to let him return to the game.

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Illinois basically says that we are to remove players for "Concussion like Symptoms" and tell the coach that is what they are being removed for. Then when they come back in they are to inform us that a "Medical Professional" evaluated them and cleared them. This is all supposed to go into a report called the "Special Report." We do not verify anyone's credentials or even necessarily need to get their name. If the coach tells us they were cleared, they were cleared. Then the state will review their procedure or the people directly involved. Almost never happens in basketball, but happens a few times a year in football.

Peace

Assignment Commissioner ...
 

Even though this isn't in our Connecticut concussion protocol, it this situation were to happen in my game, I would contact my assignment commissioner, our liaison between officials, athletic directors, and our state association, as soon as possible and let them iron it out.

During the game?

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Time Out, Have To Make A Phone Call ...
 

From postgame locker room, from car on way home, or from my home. Also depends on if I'm the referee or the umpire, and if I'm not the referee, depends if the referee wants to make the contact.

My local assigning commissioner wants to know if anything "odd" happens in our games, no matter how minor it may seem. He prefers to hear from the officials before he hears from coaches, and/or athletic directors, and/or principals.

That's everybody... As well as common sense.

I was specifically talking about how I handled a situation during the game when I couldn't call a commissioner or supervisor or state board.

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Safety First ...
 

The act of taking a few seconds to write something in the scorebook may have caused the head coach to take pause and reconsider the ramifications of reentering a possibly concussed player. Good idea. Safety first.

Shoot, the coach was hesitant to keep him out the game immediately after the injury. :mad:

I saw the kid's head hit the ground and his initial wooziness.

Billable Hours ...