Run With Getting Straight-Lined …

bob jenkins

Camron Rust wrote
I say the video is inconclusive. Official was in a good spot to see if he got the arm vs. the ball.

Agreed -- but he should have come to a stop at about the F Tline extended -- he could then see though the players AND be stopped to see the action.

BillyMac wrote
Often get help from cheerleaders. When there are no cheerleaders, I look at a player, he looks at me, and I say "I'm sixty-seven years old, you expect me to go and get the ball?". I always thank the player and give him second to catch his breath when he returns with the ball.

Have game management put someone with a replacement game ball on a folding chair 15 feet or so from the endline (or put a ball behind the basket stand, if that's the type of basket being used, or ...). Put that ball into play and have the person chase down the original ball

JRutledge

I have no idea, the official is standing right there.

I will say this, I tend to let that stuff go unless there is a clear foul. There is not a clear foul. And it is on the other side of the ring. Just came from a camp that wanted us to stay off of these kinds of plays for the most part.

I also come back to what the Head Clinician stated to us. Assume they are going to block the shot. He said that every year I worked the State Finals.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
Assume they are going to block the shot.

An interesting variation of, "Anticipate the play, not the call".

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Kind of an interesting variation of, "Anticipate the play, not the call".

Kind of. But many officials will call any level of contact on a play that no one is going to really complain if you allow the play to continue. We have officials that think any little contact warrants a foul on these plays and his point was to understand this will happen and do not call cheap fouls.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
... officials that think any little contact warrants a foul on these plays ...

Possibly home sick the day incidental contact was discussed in their rookie training classes.

In third grade, I was home recovering from chicken pox the day Miss Germanese taught cursive upper case Q's in a penmanship lesson.

I'll go to my death bed without ever being properly taught how to write an upper case cursive Q.

Are kids today still taught cursive writing, or is it all keyboarding?

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
Assume they are going to block the shot.

BillyMac wrote
An interesting variation of, "Anticipate the play, not the call".

JRutledge wrote
Kind of ... officials that think any little contact warrants a foul on these plays

How about a combined philosophy, "Anticipate the play, not the call. Anticipate the best outcome, a no call; but be prepared for the worst outman, a foul".

Patient whistle:

JRutledge

I am not trying to tell others what to think about to help them be consistent. At the level of ball that I see at the high school and college levels, it is not acceptable to call fouls on blocked shots with minimal contact. Just does not go over well with anyone. Often high school officials try to be so pure when the game not only does not need a whistle on some plays, but plays that everyone would accept nothing being called. This play based on the angle fits that standard for me. I see nothing that stands out that this is a foul. And if you called nothing it probably does not even make this forum.

After all rule 4-27 clearly states that all contact is not a foul and contact that does not prevent a player from normal offensive and defensive movements, should be ruled incidental. This is a perfect example of incidental contact. This is big boy basketball. No one fell to the floor and no one would have cared if nothing was called and everyone would have been talking about that block.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
I am not trying to tell others what to think about to help them be consistent.

Why not?

You're a very successful basketball official in multiple states. You've got all that experience (on two levels). You've got the resume. You've got all those state finals under your black belt. You've been on the cover of Referee magazine. I believe that you've been a trainer/clinician/interpreter/instructor/camp counselor, etc. You've obviously figured out the puzzle (a difficult puzzle for many) of how to be a successful basketball official (as well as a successful state finals level official of two other sports, most likely with some dove-tailing between the three sports). You got a lot to offer (tricks of the trade) both inexperienced officials, and veteran officials.

Why not share?

JRutledge

I did share, but people learn and understand differently. It is up to the person to buy in, not for me to dictate. I will say it this way, there are many high school officials that do not want to learn anything but what they did 20 years ago. You cannot help everyone.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
... people learn and understand differently. It is up to the person to buy in ... you cannot help everyone ...

Just throw everything against the wall. Some will stick, some won't. Only a fool would totally refuse to, at least, listen to you. After listening, it's on them to pick and choose, to follow your advice, in whole, or in part, or look in another direction.

JRutledge

I am having a camp this month and for those that want to learn they can. For those that have things better to do, stay home. A friend and I have started something and we are trying to help those that want help to get to the level he is at and I am at. Not throwing anything against the wall, just trying to help those that are looking for guidance.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
I am having a camp this month and for those that want to learn they can ... trying to help those that want help to get to the level he is at and I am at ... trying to help those that are looking for guidance

Sound great. Local and statewide high school camps, especially day camps and weekend camps, have failed miserably here in Connecticut. Not enough interested instructors, not enough interested officials, few AAU programs, or player camps on college campuses, to get camp games. We (local board) once tried to hook up with a town recreation summer night league, but it was poorly organized (many canceled games) and we didn't followup the next summer.

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
Just throw everything against the wall. Some will stick, some won't...

Nope.

When you start just throwing everything against the wall without regard to the audience, or by constantly restating the same point over and over, you become white noise and audiences start tuning you out.

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BillyMac

Raymond wrote
When you start just throwing everything against the wall without regard to the audience

As a Forum member who is always trying to improve my officiating (even at my age and stage of my career), I would always be interested in anything and everything all Forum members have to offer. I can then sort out things that I think are relevant to my officiating situation, and that would help me, including teaching others; and things that I think are not relevant to my officiating situation. I know my own strengths and weaknesses, and can filter suggestions accordingly. Of course, I still don't know what I don't know.

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Sound great. Local and statewide high school camps, especially day camps and weekend camps, have failed miserably here in Connecticut. Not enough interested instructors, not enough interested officials, few AAU programs, or player camps on college campuses, to get camp games. We once tried to hook up with a town recreation summer night league, but it was poorly organized (many canceled games) and we didn't followup the next summer.

I live in a large metropolitan area, that is not our issue here. Also a big basketball area as well.

Peace

BillyMac

Disclaimer: Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

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IAABO Play Commentary

Correct Answer: This is a good block and there is no foul on the play.

It is difficult to be sure if a foul was committed on this play based on the camera angle we have. 80% of respondents answered believe there was no foul on the play.

More importantly than the ruling on the contact is the approach of the Lead official to position adjust to get an angle to make the ruling. This is a great example of an IAABO approved floor mechanic. If it is not possible to be ahead of the play, the Lead should attempt to get an open look by “trailing the play” on potential contact situations in transition. (Manual p. 34) The Lead in this play quickly recognizes how the play is developing and slows down and ends up with a pretty good angle from behind the play to make the ruling. His view may have been obstructed a little by the ring as the defensive player attempted to block the shot, but his approach to positioning gave him the best angle available to him on this play.

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is a good block and there is no foul on the play 77% (including me). The ruling of a foul is correct 23%.