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Old Mon Mar 29, 2021, 08:55pm
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0.4 left in the game. You calling anything there?
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Old Mon Mar 29, 2021, 09:10pm
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0.4 left in the game. You calling anything there?
100% a foul.
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Old Mon Mar 29, 2021, 10:01pm
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If I'm the Lead on that play with that time and score scenario, I'm mirroring the ball and coming over to help referee that play.

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Old Mon Mar 29, 2021, 10:34pm
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Nope. Two defenders and leaning back? Nope. Take a better shot.

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Old Mon Mar 29, 2021, 11:06pm
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And yes, I have a foul on that play. Post players always like to walk into shooters.

I have significant contact from A to B movement and also she didn't keep her arms vertical and came down on the shooter.

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And yes, I have a foul on that play. Post players always like to walk into shooters.

I have significant contact from A to B movement and also she didn't keep her arms vertical and came down on the shooter.

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Agree...there was clear contact. Too bad the C and L were stacked to it. The T needed to realized the game situation and that it was the only play that was going to matter. The T had the only angle that could clearly have seen it. The T needed to go get that. If the T had, the only ones talking about that play would be us (about whether it was a right for the T to go get it) instead of everyone else.
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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 06:33am
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Agree...there was clear contact. Too bad the C and L were stacked to it. The T needed to realized the game situation and that it was the only play that was going to matter. The T had the only angle that could clearly have seen it. The T needed to go get that. If the T had, the only ones talking about that play would be us (about whether it was a right for the T to go get it) instead of everyone else.
Yeah, I mentioned that somewhere else on social media. As soon as the ball handler went away from the Trail, the Trail needed to step down and be ready to help referee anything in the paint.

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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 08:19am
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Yeah there is contact, with not one, but two bigger players in her face trying to shoot? Yeah, that contact is going to happen. It was a horrible shot, absolutely horrible. They knew she was going to shoot and met her with their size. We do not expect that kind of contact in Men's games. This to me is a girl's or woman's basketball thing. Players fall we must have something or else. We would not be arguing if Shaq was defending Allen Iverson on a shot like this with his teammate Dennis Rodman right next to Shaq. We would say things I have heard over the years, "pass the ball" or "Do not take on bigger players on that shot." The play by the Baylor player was pure desparation, not a quality or very warranted shot.

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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 09:32am
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The Nature Of Sports ...



Baylor coach Kim Mulkey, who believed without question that Carrington was fouled on her drive down the left side.

"You don't need a quote from me," Mulkey said. "I've got still shots and video from two angles. One (UConn) kid hits her in the face, one kid hits her on the elbow."

Auriemma attributed the non-foul call to "the nature of sports," and challenged anyone who wished to check every single call throughout the game and add them up.

"I mean, you could go back and forth, the whole thing," Auriemma said. "The bottom line is the officials did what they're going to do. It is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and apologize for it. And if people are going to want to talk about that the rest of the week, you're welcome to do that."


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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 09:37am
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picture worth a 1000 words. Hand on the elbow. Defenders outside their vertical plane. FOUL! Unfortunately, live speed and poor positioning made this hard to see.
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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 09:44am
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A discussion can be had on whether the offensive player's contact caused the defenders' hands to come down to make contact.
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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 09:49am
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Their torsos are not vertical. They are leaning forward. Contact by an offensive player would not cause that.
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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 09:59am
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Yeah there is contact, with not one, but two bigger players in her face trying to shoot? Yeah, that contact is going to happen. It was a horrible shot, absolutely horrible. They knew she was going to shoot and met her with their size. We do not expect that kind of contact in Men's games. This to me is a girl's or woman's basketball thing. Players fall we must have something or else. We would not be arguing if Shaq was defending Allen Iverson on a shot like this with his teammate Dennis Rodman right next to Shaq. We would say things I have heard over the years, "pass the ball" or "Do not take on bigger players on that shot." The play by the Baylor player was pure desparation, not a quality or very warranted shot.

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I tend to agree with you. I feel like if you called this in a menís game, especially at that point in the game, it would be considered a ďbail outĒ foul by a clinician or assigner. It was a horrible play-call and a desperation shot. I have somewhat reconsidered that position given that I have heard from multiple menís officials who believe itís a foul (including this thread), but Iím still not convinced I would have called anything.

I also donít really care what a still picture shows. We donít get to officiate frame-by-frame and if the contact with the defenderís torso caused the arms to not be vertical, a still frame is not going to tell that story.
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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 11:14am
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I've called this foul plenty of times. Post players like to walk into shooters with their hands up thinking that absolves them from illegal contact. They also like to straighten their arms up after contact as if they didn't come down on the shooter.

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Old Tue Mar 30, 2021, 11:17am
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A discussion can be had on whether the offensive player's contact caused the defenders' hands to come down to make contact.
There are plays where that can be discussed. They are plays where the offense is moving into the defender and causes the arms to collapse. That contact usually causes the head and shoulders to move forward as well.

I don't see that at all on this play. On this play only the arms come down.

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