Fun With An Illegal Dribble ...

[BillyMac]

Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...VK5hUVSWDh.mp4

IAABO International Play Commentary: Correct Answer: This is an illegal dribble.

Green #23 executes a "crossover" dribble to maneuver past the primary defender to get into the lane to attempt a try. As he begins this move, the ball comes to rest in his right hand, and he "carries" the ball across his body to the left before dropping the ball and continuing to dribble. The dribble ends when the dribbler allows the ball to come to rest in one or both hands. When he dribbles again, it is considered an illegal dribble. A dribbler can execute this move legally by keeping his/her hand on top of the ball as they push the ball to the floor.

This illegal move is fairly common in our game, and you rarely see a violation ruled for this infraction. 65% of respondents correctly identified this as a violation. How many of you would actually make the ruling on the court?

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is an illegal dribble 65% (including me); This is not an illegal dribble 35%.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My comment: This is an illegal dribble. Illegal dribble or palming/carrying. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO International Play Commentary: Correct Answer: This is an illegal dribble. As he begins this move, the ball comes to rest in his right hand, and he "carries" the ball across his body to the left before dropping the ball and continuing to dribble. The dribble ends when the dribbler allows the ball to come to rest in one or both hands. When he dribbles again, it is considered an illegal dribble.

From an earlier IAABO International video play commentary:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO International Play Commentary: There is a distinct difference between palming and carrying. Palming occurs when a dribbler can maintain their pivot foot, allows the ball to come to rest, and then completes a second dribble. This is an illegal dribble, commonly referred to as a double dribble. Carrying occurs when the ball comes to rest while the dribbler moves the pivot foot in excess of prescribed limits. This violation is covered within the traveling rule.

It appears that the guardians of the IAABO universe have confused themselves.

If one is going to differentiate between palming and carrying, then be consistent, otherwise just "lump" them together in one signal that most understand to be two different violations (illegal dribble, traveling).

[billyu2]

I felt it was a well-executed crossover dribble. Did it push the limits of legality? Yes, but in my opinion virtually all behind-the-back dribbles while driving toward the basket involve a greater appearance of "cupping or carrying" the ball from one side of the body around to the other side than this crossover dribble. Has anyone seen or called a behind-the-back dribble a violation?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It appears that the guardians of the IAABO universe have confused themselves. If one is going to differentiate between palming and carrying, then be consistent, otherwise just "lump" them together in one signal that most understand to be two different violations (illegal dribble, traveling).

While I always realized that the "call" was actually one of two different violations (illegal dribble or travel), I never realized that there was a difference between a carry and a palm (one signal, two verbiages).

I'm not sure that I want to add this to my basketball official répertoire (pardon my French).