Fun With Intentional Fouls ...

[Danvrapp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

...just got the feet tangled up.

I agree.

If I felt the player had stepped on his foot with intent, I move past an intentional and go to a flagrant. I'm not sure trying to trip someone about to shoot a layup or stepping on the back of their leg/foot is appropriately penalized with 'just' an intentional foul...you're looking to hurt the kid.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

I agree.

If I felt the player had stepped on his foot with intent, I move past an intentional and go to a flagrant. I'm not sure trying to trip someone about to shoot a layup or stepping on the back of their leg/foot is appropriately penalized with 'just' an intentional foul...you're looking to hurt the kid.

ACC officials would disagree with you.

[Nevadaref]

Are those advocating merely a personal foul giving enough consideration to 4-19-3a?
a. Contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

Based on those words, I lean towards deeming this an intentional personal foul. The player coming from behind bears the risk of attempting to make a play from that position.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Are those advocating merely a personal foul giving enough consideration to 4-19-3a?
a. Contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

Based on those words, I lean towards deeming this an intentional personal foul. The player coming from behind bears the risk of attempting to make a play from that position.

That would be most fouls if taken in literally and in a vacuum. I interpret that to mean deliberate contact that neutralizes an obvious advantageous position....grabbing the shirt from behind, a bear hug that completely prevents the player from jumping or making any play, etc.

[JRutledge]

Call a common foul and move on.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... intentional foul can be a personal foul and vice versa, but we all know what IAABO means.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Call a common foul and move on.

Even when it's not a common foul?

4-19-2: A common foul is a personal foul which is neither flagrant nor intentional nor committed against a player trying or tapping for a field goal nor a part of a double, simultaneous or multiple foul.

[Danvrapp]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

ACC officials would disagree with you.

Are you implying there was an ACC play that I am not aware of, or are you legit saying, in NCAA/ACC play that that particular play, if deemed intentional and direct, would not warrant a flagrant foul?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Are you implying there was an ACC play that I am not aware of, or are you legit saying, in NCAA/ACC play that that particular play, if deemed intentional and direct, would not warrant a flagrant foul?

I’m saying that several ACC officials did not assess a Flagrant 2, the equivalent of an NFHS flagrant foul, when working games in which a Duke player deliberately tripped opponents.