10.7.7 (case play)_

[bob jenkins]

If the defenders are in LGP, I agree -- but often, one of the defenders does not "get there in time" and it becomes a foul on the defense.

Just like many "elevator screens" are too late and should be called illegal screens on the offense

[LRZ]

I've called it on occasion. I think many coaches--and officials, too--don't know this even exists.

[BillyMac]

10.7.7 SITUATION: During congested play in the free-throw semi-circle, B1 and B2 are less than 3 feet apart when dribbler A1 fakes to one side and then causes contact in attempting to dribble between them. RULING: Unless one of the defensive players is faked out of position to permit adequate space for the dribbler to go between without making contact, it is a player-control foul on A1. COMMENT: Screening principles apply to the dribbler who attempts to cut off an opponent who is approaching in a different path from the rear. In this case, the dribbler must allow such opponent a maximum of two steps or an opportunity to stop or avoid contact. When both the dribbler and the opponent are moving in exactly the same path and same direction, the player behind is responsible for contact which results if the player in front slows down or stops. (4-7-2)

10-7-7: A dribbler must neither charge into nor contact an opponent in his/her path nor attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/ her to go through without contact.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the defenders are in LGP, I agree -- but often, one of the defenders does not "get there in time" and it becomes a foul on the defense.

Just like many "elevator screens" are too late and should be called illegal screens on the offense

For the purposes of comparing our real-time encounters with such plays/circumstances (i.e., while working a game) to the Principle in the case play it assumed that LGP was established; therefore, the defender did get there in time. Ergo, a "miss-call" on the Defense will continue to occur.

Ok I see your point, and that was indeed astute to also cite awareness of illegal action when executing elevator screens, which are known to me as "down screens" and moreover our collective tendency to fail to penalize the offense--which I contend can be rectified by summoning the temerity to do so.
Thanks so much.