Intentional Foul

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

Had an intentional foul

Was it an intentional PERSONAL foul or an intentional TECHNICAL foul?

That should help you.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Was it an intentional PERSONAL foul or an intentional TECHNICAL foul?

Good point.

I assumed that swkansasref33 meant intentional personal, but we all know what happens when one assumes.



The "contact" he mentions could have been personal, or technical; depending on the whether it was a live ball, or a dead ball foul.

[Jfpdi]

NCAA Women any player on the team may shoot the free throws for an intentional foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

NCAA Women any player on the team may shoot the free throws for an intentional foul.

And another example of where this coach thinks he can choose who shoots the FTs on certain kinds of fouls. Part of being a good official IMO is being aware of rules from multiple levels. You do not need not all of them, but know there are things going to be brought up to you that do not apply to the level most of us work, which is high school. In my 25 years and 4 sports during that time, I would get addressed based on rules that do not apply to the level you are working.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Part of being a good official IMO is being aware of rules from multiple levels. You do not need not all of them, but know there are things going to be brought up to you that do not apply to the level most of us work, which is high school.

Agree. Enough to be aware, but not enough to confuse one.

One of the reasons why I publish my list of Misunderstood Rules (no major changes this year).

Knowing these rule misconceptions in advance can help basketball officials understand where players, coaches, parents, and fans, are “coming from”. Rookie basketball officials can benefit from this article by clearing up any misconceptions that they might have had coming into basketball officiating after years of being a player, or a fan.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1035693

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Enough to be aware, but not enough to confuse one.

One of the reasons why I publish my list of Misunderstood Rules (no major changes this year).

Knowing these rule misconceptions in advance can help basketball officials understand where players, coaches, parents, and fans, are “coming from”. Rookie basketball officials can benefit from this article by clearing up any misconceptions that they might have had coming into basketball officiating after years of being a player, or a fan.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1035693

And for the record that list is great. I have used it in variation over the years. Often we have to deal with misconceptions as much as real rules and those misconceptions come from other levels of basketball or part of other levels of basketball. I often with coaches unpack the myths of their misconceptions which come from other levels. It is not new. And the NCAA took many little rules that were the same as the NF and change them which caused more confusion lately. I will never stop talking to coaches and addressing these misconceptions. As I as often they do not know what you are talking about and leave it alone because you sound more knowledgeable than they are on the subject as well, which you should be.

I just will never understand people on this site that think these are linear conversations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Knowing these rule misconceptions in advance can help basketball officials understand where players, coaches, parents, and fans, are “coming from” ...

Kind of like how every single one of us knows what to expect when a player intentionally slaps a backboard during a try so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it's an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration; and then the ball falls off the ring and doesn't enter the basket as the backboard is still vibrating.

Even after we charge the technical foul, we all are prepared for the fact that it won't end there, we're still going to have to deal with a confused, ignorant, irate coach.

[swkansasref33]

Thanks for the spirited discussion all!

Sorry for going AWOL, I posted this, and then tested positive for COVID later that day (luckily, fairly asymptomatic), and am just getting back into the swing of things!

It was an intentional personal foul (player reached out and grabbed a cutter with both hands and partner ruled it intentional).

With that being said.... can anyone give an example of a personal technical foul? I can't think of what that might entail, and couldn't find an example in the case book.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I assumed that swkansasref33 meant intentional personal, but we all know what happens when one assumes.