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paulsonj72 Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:33am

Free Throw Release Question
 
After the 1997-98 rule change requiring players to remain out of the lane until a free throw hit the rim or backboard when it change back to on the release of the shot. And when did it change the first time. Thank you very much.

BillyMac Sat Apr 04, 2020 08:44am

Please Release Me (Engelbert Humperdinck, 1967) …
 
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Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1038448)
After the 1997-98 rule change requiring players to remain out of the lane until a free throw hit the rim or backboard when it change back to on the release of the shot.

2014-15 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES

Lane Players Can Release When Free Throw is Attempted in High School Basketball

Players in marked lane spaces will be able to move into the lane when the ball is released by the free-throw shooter beginning with the 2014-15 high school basketball season. Previously, players could not release until the ball touched the ring or backboard or until the free throw ended.

The committee noted that the current rule of players in marked lane spaces not releasing until the ball touches the ring or backboard creates two obstacles for officials: 1) attempting to watch the ball strike the ring or backboard while simultaneously attempting to observe if any players/free thrower violate the lane-line restrictions, and 2) insufficient time for the perimeter official(s) to obtain optimum angles on the players involved in rebounding a missed try.

“In recent years, we have moved players along the lane spaces up and removed excess players along the lane lines, so the rationale for changing this rule to its current status is no longer an issue,” said Theresia Wynns, NFHS director of sports and officials education and staff liaison to the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee.


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Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1038448)
And when did it change the first time. Thank you very much.

In my forty years of officiating basketball there have been so many changes involving release and hit that it makes my head spin.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to give us the history of the free throw back to ancient times.

Until then just sit back, relax, and enjoy some classic bubblegum pop music, Dizzy, by Tommy Roe (1969):

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BillyMac Sat Apr 04, 2020 09:05am

I'm So Dizzy My Head Is Spinning ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1038448)
And when did it change the first time.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is self-quarantining and social-distancing in his 1950's bomb shelter and can't make it up to is attic library.

Here's what I've discovered, as told by the oral traditions of grizzled veteran officials to young'uns while sitting around a blazing campfire.

1981: Revised free throw restrictions to allow leaving marked lane spaces when ball is released.

1993: Players along lane may not break plane of free throw line until ball hits backboard, etc.

1996-97: Restricted movement on free-throw lane until ball touches ring or backboard.

2014-15: Players in marked lane spaces will be able to move into the lane when the ball is released by the free-throw shooter.


Here's a family portrait of the DeNucci family discovered on the walls of a cave in Lascaux, France.

While enjoying their usual Sunday family dinner of Wooly Mammoth and ... well, just Wooly Mammoth, they're discussing the "change in status" rule.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. likes his Wooly Mammoth medium-rare and likes to eat it with two hands.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...historic_c.jpg

BillyMac Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:24am

Changes (David Bowie, 1971) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038450)
1993: Players along lane may not break plane of free throw line until ball hits backboard, etc.

1996-97: Restricted movement on free-throw lane until ball touches ring or backboard.

What exactly was the "change" from 1993 to 1996-97?

I got my information from the NFHS Basketball Handbook, doesn't appear to by anything about free throws between 1993 and 1996.

Where's Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. when you need him?

Maybe his 1950's bomb shelter doesn't have internet access?

Camron Rust Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038454)
What exactly was the "change" from 1993 to 1996-97?

I got my information from the NFHS Basketball Handbook, doesn't appear to by anything about free throws between 1993 and 1996.

Where's Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. when you need him?

Maybe his 1950's bomb shelter doesn't have internet access?

Technically, the rule could have been read to mean that if the ball hit only the rim and bounced up (never hitting the backboard) from 93-96, the players couldn't enter the lane. The change was to add wording to make like we were actually calling it (and it should have been). The "etc." on the 93 rule was probably to imply that the rim was acceptable, but unlisted conditions are rarely consistently interpreted.

BillyMac Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:58pm

Free Throw Restrictions ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1038455)
Technically, the rule could have been read to mean that if the ball hit only the rim and bounced up (never hitting the backboard) from 93-96, the players couldn't enter the lane. The change was to add wording to make like we were actually calling it (and it should have been).

Thanks Camron Rust.

BillyMac Sun Apr 05, 2020 02:34pm

Et Cetera (More Latin On The Forum) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1038455)
Technically, the rule could have been read to mean that if the ball hit only the rim and bounced up (never hitting the backboard) from 93-96, the players couldn't enter the lane. The change was to add wording to make like we were actually calling it (and it should have been). The "etc." on the 93 rule was probably to imply that the rim was acceptable, but unlisted conditions are rarely consistently interpreted.

I actually dug out my 1996-97 Rulebook (it's my oldest one, I wish I had saved my older ones).

The only references to any changes are highlighted notes in Rule 9.

"Note: The restrictions (free throw line) in Articles 7, 8, and 9 (free thrower, players "behind" free thrower, players "boxing out" free thrower) apply until ball touches the ring or backboard, or until the free throw ends".

"Note: The restrictions (lane line) in Articles 6 and 10 (players in marked lane spaces) apply until the ball has been released by the free thrower".


Words in parentheses are mine.

There are no other references to the changes (comments, editorial revisions, points of emphasis, etc.) in either the rulebbok or the casebook.

I wish I had older rulebooks to see what the older language was.

The NFHS Handbook says this: 1993: Players along lane may not break plane of free throw line until ball hits backboard, etc.

I wonder what "etc." meant?

BillyMac Sun Apr 05, 2020 02:44pm

Riddle Me This ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038457)
1996-97 Rulebook ... "Note: The restrictions (lane line) in Articles 6 and 10 (players in marked lane spaces) apply until the ball has been released by the free thrower" ... The NFHS Handbook says this: 1993: Players along lane may not break plane of free throw line until ball hits backboard, etc.

So here's my new time line for restrictions on players in marked lane spaces entering the lane:

1981:Released.

1996-97: Released (change based on my most recent research, discovered in a book made of dead trees).

2014-15: Released.

So my question is this.

Between 1996-97 and 2014-15, did we go back to hits backboard, etc., instead of release? And if so, when?

There's nothing regarding this time period change in the NFHS handbook.

BillyMac Sun Apr 05, 2020 02:59pm

Eureka ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038458)
1996-97: Released. 2014-15: Released. Between 1996-97 and 2014-15, did we go back to hits backboard, etc., instead of release? And if so, when?

Found it (again by reading an old fashioned book made from dead trees).

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.j...=0&w=250&h=185

1997-98: Restrictions on movement of players along the lane line in effect until the ball touches the ring or backboard, or until the free throw ends.

Rationale: Reducing rough play.

Here's the (hopefully) correct time line for restrictions on players in marked lane spaces entering the lane:

1981:Released.

1996-97: Released

1997-98: Hits backboard, etc.

2014-15: Released.

Wow! That 1996-97 "release" experiment didn't last too long, did it?

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be so proud of me when he finally crawls out of his bomb shelter and sees what I've accomplished in his absence.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Apr 05, 2020 06:42pm

Why I do not have access to The Attic!
 
See:

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1038460

MTD, Sr.

paulsonj72 Sun Apr 05, 2020 06:46pm

I remember the 97-98 change as I was working in radio doing sports including basketball and saw the effects of this rule change.

BillyMac Sun Apr 05, 2020 07:13pm

Is It Tuesday ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1038462)
I remember the 97-98 change as I was working in radio doing sports including basketball and saw the effects of this rule change.

And I forgot what I ate for breakfast this morning.

Altor Sun Apr 05, 2020 08:35pm

I think your inpretations of the 1993 change is not correct (or maybe I'm misreading your interps). Players along the lane were not allowed to cross the free throw line until the ball hit the backboard or rim. They were allowed to enter the lane upon release until 1996.

Players had developed bad tendencies when I was in high school of boxing out the free throw shooter very hard, sometimes knocking him down. This rule tried to curtail some of that. It didn't work well enough though, because they changed the rule after we graduated to not even allow players in the lane until the ball hit.

BillyMac Mon Apr 06, 2020 09:12am

I Told You My Head Was Spinning ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1038469)
I think your inpretations of the 1993 change is not correct (Players along the lane were not allowed to cross the free throw line until the ball hit the backboard or rim). They were allowed to enter the lane upon release until 1996.

Altor is correct. I over-generalized.

1993: Players along lane may not break plane of free throw line until ball hits backboard, etc.

Thanks Altor. I'll try to do a cleanup on my earlier posts.

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BillyMac Mon Apr 06, 2020 09:36am

And The Hits Just Keep On Coming ...
 
https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Y...=0&w=512&h=116

I'll give it another try.

Restrictions on players in marked lane spaces entering the lane:

1981:Released.

1996-97: Released

1997-98: Hits backboard, etc.

2014-15: Released.

I'm fairly certain that I've used "hits" twice in my forty years.

Could it have been in 1980-81, or sometime between 1981-82 and 1996-97?

Nevadaref Mon Apr 06, 2020 09:46am

I played HS from 89-93 and we were able to enter the lane upon the release of the ball.

BillyMac Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:08am

Don't Know Much About History (Sam Cooke, 1960) …
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1038460)
And now with Ohio under a Shelter In-place Order, I do not have access to The Attic and any thing I post is based upon my memory for the time being.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. needs to get himself a hazmat suit pronto and get up to his attic library to help us out with these ancient times basketball rule questions.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.g...=0&w=300&h=300

This is a good look for Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. because we can barely see him.

BillyMac Tue Apr 07, 2020 09:19am

Sweet Dreams Are Made of This (The Eurythmics, 1983) ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038473)
I'm fairly certain that I've used "hits" twice in my forty years.

Did I dream this?

Can somebody corroborate my account?

Or positively refute it?

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.i...=0&w=289&h=163

JRutledge Tue Apr 07, 2020 09:39am

Something does not sound right. I started officiating in 96 and players were allowed to enter the lane that season and I thought the season after. I thought it was the early 2000s when this rule changed? I could be wrong about that latter, but in the 96-97 season the the rule is what it is today.

Peace

BillyMac Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:00am

The Cretaceous Period ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1038479)
Something does not sound right.

Agree.

Regarding restrictions on players in marked lane spaces entering the lane, I'm 99% positive it was "release" in 1996-97, went to "hits" in 1997-98, and went back to "release" in 2014-15.

I'm pretty sure that I had another "hit" period in my forty year career, possibly sometime before 1996-97 (I go back to 1980-81, unfortunately my rulebooks don't).

Was there a previous "hit" period during the Cretaceous Period (1980-81 to 1995-96)?

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.P...=0&w=300&h=300

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Apr 08, 2020 08:34pm

I am 68 and I have not left the Bonnie' mother's home since Mark and I returned home from Florida on Fri , Mar. 13th. And my family has told me that I am not allowed to leave the house.

Our younger son, daughter-in-law, and granddaughter have not left their home except for Andy has only left his house for Air Guard duty and go to the grocery store.

Mark has only left our home to go to the grocery store for himself and us. He brings our groceries and places them inside the garage.

Yes, I should have been scanning all of my old stuff but it was always easier to just climb up into the attic, LOL!

Mark lost the remainder of his college softball schedule on our way back from Florida and his H.S. baseball and softball schedule through the end of April and if I were a betting man I would bet dollars to donuts that the OhioHSAA will cancel the entire Spring Season within the next two weeks. And who knows what the future of the Summer season holds?

I want everyone to stay safe out there. Practice social distancing and hopefully we will all get through this.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:50am

High School Graduation ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038473)
Restrictions on players in marked lane spaces entering the lane:
1981:Released.
1996-97: Released
1997-98: Hits backboard, etc.
2014-15: Released.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1038473)
Was there a previous "hit" period during the Cretaceous Period (1980-81 to 1995-96)?

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.B...=0&w=211&h=168

I came up with this (below) but it was from before I started officiating.

NFHS 1970-71 Points of Emphasis
Once the free throw starts, i.e., when the ball is placed the disposal of the free thrower, no player may break, with his feet, the vertical plane of any lane or lane space boundary he occupies until the ball touches the ring or backboard, or until the free throw ends.

What was happening between 1980-81 and 1995-96?

Besides this:

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.p...=0&w=320&h=181

BillyMac Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:28pm

Cicadas ...
 
Sorry to resurrect a six month old thread.

Recent update only for future reference purposes.

Just like 13-year and 17-year periodical cicadas, I'm sure that this will eventually come up again.

Best information I can come up with:

1970-71: Hits
1981: Released.
1993: Hits
1996-97: Released
1997-98: Hits
2014-15: Released

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.j...=0&w=271&h=181


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