To eject or not...
 

Freshman boys playoff game 2nd half home team kid has a break away. V7 catches up and two hand IF in the back. 3 man and both my partners have the call and are on top of it.

Background. Last year 2 friends and fights in their game. Players came off the bench no one had numbers...

Back to the playoff game. Told myself to watch the bench who wouldnt be happy with the IF. I run toward it as 10 bench players jump up and rush toward the court. I am screaming at them STAY BACK over and over. 8 kids come withing inches. 2 kids step 3-6 inches onto the court....

At this point I am 5 feet from the sideline and now they are all backing up and sitting down looking stunned. AC and HC are clueless and sitting.

Eject or not....?

As always love the advice and look forward to your judgements..

No. You sufficiently prevented it in my mind.

Agree with Camron. By the way that is some excellent preventative officiating. Way to be on top of it.


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Though confident that what is in Camron's mind is pretty reliable, there seems to have been an NFHS interpretation or casebook situation issued a while ago that said something like, "If the bench players move toward the fight by crossing the boundary line only a couple of feet and then stop and go back, don't penalize that." Can't find it but perhaps another might be able to dig where I haven't thus far.
Anyone?

Nevadaref ???
 

Searched "fight" in the Annual Interpretations Forum page and in the current NFHS casebook and came up with nothing.

Now that that’s settled, it’s time to do what we’re really good at in the forum and change the subject.

Freshman playoffs. That’s a thing?


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I am not relying on any specific publication that I remember, just my personal feeling towards what happened.

Why Not ???
 

I thought the same thing.

I started thinking about the purpose of freshmen basketball, learning, participation, education, skill development, etc., and then I reversed course and decided, "Why not?".

Most freshmen teams try to win their games during the regular season, why not add a playoff game (league, or multiple high school city) for competitive fun and bragging rights?

I was the twelfth best player on a twelve man freshmen team that was undefeated (no playoff). As far as we were concerned we were the regular season champion (no official title, no trophy, no newspaper article). Yeah, we all knew that it was "only" a freshmen team, but we were still proud of our accomplishment, even me, who only scored a handful of points that season.

The middle school team that I coached was often invited to a postseason tournament in another part of the state. Why did we go? Why did the administration allow us to go (entry fee, buses)? New teams. New sites. New challenges. To see how good we actually were outside of our regular season league games. It was exciting. Got players used to "lose and go home, win and keep playing". We did win the tournament once, and for some players it was the only scholastic postseason "championship" of their athletic careers, and some remember it quite fondly to this day.

Intelligently Applied ...
 

....it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it
may be intelligently applied in each play situation.

Intelligence. Experience. Common sense. It's why we get paid the big bucks.

Around here there are no state playoffs for Freshman, though a lot of programs will enter one of many season ending tournaments that are available. Same kind of idea, I guess.

One of the conferences I officiate in has conference playoffs for all three levels of high school basketball (Freshman, JV, and Varsity). On the boy's side, the sub-varsity teams are split into groups of four with both semifinal games played one night and another night where the losing teams play a consolation game and the winning teams play for the championship.

Thanks for changing the subject and for the advice. Appreciated as always.

When in doubt, throw em out!!


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Even shorter:

Let 'em be? No, give a T!

With the trend of this thread had an interesting situation last night. Team is whistled for their second PC of the second half (run overs, easy calls). On the second one partner turns to report (He is bench/table side) and the coach flips him off. I was new trail headed down and didn't see it. Old lead new trail saw it and T'd the coach up. Had a discussion of whether this should have been deemed a flagrant act and ejection. Didn't come to a conclusion but thought it was worthy of a discussion, we just went with regular T.

If it matters the information that I got was that it wasn't a subtle bird up against the coaches body, but they also weren't jumping up and down with their hand in the air. A medium arm extension if that means anything.

If it's really the middle finger, then it's flagrant. If it's just a "wave off" then ordinary T.

I am giving the HC an "E Ticket Ride" to the Locker Room.

MTD, Sr.

Baby, It's Cold Outside (Dean Martin, 1959) …
 

Better yet, how about a seat on a very cold bus in the parking lot?

One has to be at least old enough to have grand children to know what an E Ticket Ride is.

MTD, Sr.

Dancing In The Dark With Courteney Cox ...
 

Front row seats.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.3...=0&w=274&h=183

No, Billy. That's the E Street Band. They were from Asbury Park, NJ on the Atlantic coast.
For the E Ticket Ride you would have needed to go all the way across the country from there, 12 miles from the west coast, to be exact.

Actually, either to Anahiem, California, or Orlando, Florida. I am sure that Chuck Elias can get anyone a good deal to either place.

MTD, Sr.

E ticket.....
 

"Back in the day", you used to get a ticket book at Disneyworld / Disneyland. The booklet had tickets ranging from A to E. Depending on what type of ride it was determined what ticket you needed to use. I think Space Mountain was an E ticket.

You're As Welcome As Can Be ...
 

How would you handle if the HC said the words associated with that finger? That should be your asnwer.

It does not matter whether he said the word associated with "the finger" or just game just "the finger" I have a "flagrant" WHACK!!

MTD, Sr.

I know, that is my point as it was a rhetorical question. Is was a case mentioned by sdoebler. When someone makes a gesture, consider the words associated with that gesture. That should help an official in determining how they would handle that gesture.

I recall a high intensity game where A1 was at the FT line. Student section behind the goal was really ribbing the FT shooter. The FT shooter, with the ball, pauses, and gently flips off the student section. Nothing escalated. How might some of you handle that one if you saw it as an official?