Jump ball picked up by jumper
NFHS Rules. Ohio varsity girls game.
Team A and Team B lined up for jump ball to start game. R tosses ball. Jumpers for each team jump and touch ball. Ball comes down, hits floor within the restraining circle and is picked up by jumper for Team A. R blows whistle and awards throw-in at division line to Team B, possession arrow to Team A. 1) Should R have blown whistle or let play continue? 2) Does it make a difference if ball hit the floor within the restraining circle or outside of it after being touched by the jumpers before one of the jumpers can pick it up? |
Jump Ball ...
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2) No difference. 6-3-8: The jump ball and the restrictions ... end when the touched ball contacts one of the eight nonjumpers, an official, the floor, a basket or backboard. No more jump balls, and shut up Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. |
Once the ball touches the floor, the restrictions end.
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It makes no difference whether the ball contacts the floor inside or outside the restraining circle. Once jump ball restrictions end, the restraining circle has no significance. |
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Was this still a jump ball? Check the definitions. |
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What did I do? You nailed it Billy. MTD, Sr. |
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I'm Certain Coach, It's Rule Four In The Book ...
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Most coaches think that there are a hundred basketball rules, and will be surprised and impressed that you know each rule by number, which will dumbfound them, and immediately shut them up, at least long enough for you to move away from them. |
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Ancient Times ...
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Back in ancient times every official knew all the permutations of the jump ball rules, before the toss, after the toss, jumpers, nonjumpers on the circle, non jumpers off the circle, backwards, forwards, inside out, and upside down. Officials had to know these jump ball restrictions because in a some games you could have dozens of jump balls, in three different jump ball circles, in addition to the jump ball to start the game, each period, and any overtime. Officials, players, and coaches all knew the jump ball rules, some coaches even had different jump ball plays for each of the three jump ball circles depending on whether one expected to win or lose the jump ball. Now that we average 1.02 jump balls per game, many officials (players and coaches) don't know the rules as well as we knew them back in ancient times. The alternating possession arrow was invented by some genius for a good reason, so let's get rid of all jump balls, give the ball to the visitors to start the game, and use the possession arrow for the rest of the game, including overtimes. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. only wants to keep jump balls because he actually gave the idea for jump balls to his best friend, Jimmy Naismith, back 1891. It's true. It's true. |
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And Get Me Off This High Horse Also ...
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Baker's Dozen ...
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Billy Mac, I am gaining followers! LOL!
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Billy: I am gaining a following, LOL! MTD, Sr. |
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Odds Or Evens ...
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Once, twice, three, shoot. |
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The points in favor of the jump ball are that it's a fun and interesting individual and team skill for the players, and got the ball into play in a way that was no more prone to rough play than other aspects of the game are.
The point against was that it was hard to administer fairly. It's enough that the players need ball skills, should the officials have to have them too? (A point that could be taken either against or in favor was that some players were much better at it than others, and that it was lopsided when a tie ball occurred between players of much different heights. These are the sorts of considerations that are as arguable as any other design feature of the game.) Australian football in recent years has shown dissatisfaction with similar procedures. They used to have an official bounce the (oblong) ball hard straight down against the ground, and lately have gone to something looking more like a jump ball. They used to have an official throw the ball in backwards over his head into the field to resume play from out of bounds; I forgot what they're doing instead of that now. Speedball uses a kickoff to start periods, but as far as I know still uses a jump ball to resolve tie balls. As far as I know, team handball has no similar procedure. |
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Camron, I cannot rely on the table crew to do things correctly, especially below the varsity level. There have been times where either the table does not keep the AP arrow, or they do not change the arrow properly. Because I need to check that the table is doing things correctly, I need to remember the AP sequence myself. Jump balls would give officials as well as the table 1 less headache to worry about. Coaches then won't be able to claim that "the refs gave the wrong team the ball" when they aren't paying attention.
In NBA mechanics, the official with the best toss administers all jump balls, so there should be no issues with bad tosses affecting the jump ball result. NFHS and NCAA rules can adopt something similar if jump balls outside the center circle get reintroduced. On the off-chance that the ball is tossed badly, the tableside non-tossing official can call the toss back, and the toss will be repeated. |
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Middle schools often don't have a possession arrow at the table, and almost never keep the alternating possession in the scorebook, so this procedure becomes quite important. Sure, we could just memorize who gets the next arrow, but it's just as easy to switch the whistle in our pocket. After doing this for thirty-five years, it's become automatic, deeply ingrained, second nature. |
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Aren't you aware of the traditional game of 'Rock, Paper, Scissors' that takes place in the NBA pregame meeting that determines who has the honor of tossing for jump balls? |
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Big Mouth BillyMac ...
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Capitals and bold means loud, right? |
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