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Freddy Tue May 21, 2019 05:24am

"Opposite Table" Text
 
Can someone reply with a "copy and paste" of the text of the mechanic detailing the calling official going opposite table? I'm interested in the phraseology used by NCAA-M, NCAA-W, and the NFHS back in the early 2000's.
Thank you in advance.

Freddy Wed May 22, 2019 09:46am

We started going "opposite table" beginning with the 2005-07 NFHS Officials Manual. Anyone have the NFHS book prior to that? I'd like to see images of the wording for both 2- and 3-person.
Thanx in advance.

Freddy Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:29pm

Any of You?
 
Anyone out there whose state has high school officials going "opposite table" after reporting?

BillyMac Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:55pm

Land Of Steady Habits ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 1033213)
Anyone out there whose state has high school officials going "opposite table" after reporting?

True in 100% IAABO mechanics Connecticut for the occasional three person game.

In two person games we switch and the reporting official can end up anywhere.

But Freddy wants NFHS mechanics, and I can't help him with that.

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Raymond Wed Jun 05, 2019 01:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1033214)
True in 100% IAABO mechanics Connecticut for the occasional three person game.

In two person games we switch and the reporting official can end up anywhere.

But Freddy wants NFHS mechanics, and I can't help him with that.

If nobody has answered "yes" by now, I would think that means everyone who has read this thread goes tableside for 3-man in HS.

"Negative replies not required"...military thing that reduces unnecessary email traffic.

ilyazhito Wed Jun 05, 2019 03:30pm

Any IAABO State (except MD), Ohio, and Louisiana switch opposite the table.

BillyMac Thu Jun 06, 2019 06:33am

Jack Of All Trades ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1033223)
Any IAABO State (except MD), Ohio, and Louisiana switch opposite the table.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1033115)
ilyazhitoc can quote, verbatim, from any rule set, or mechanics set, that exists, NFHS, IAABO, NCAA, NBA, WNBA, FIBA, etc. He knows which states use which rules and mechanics, shot clocks, restricted areas, halves, three person crews, fees, etc., all committed to memory.

'Nough said.

ODog Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:38pm

Chiming in from Mass. here, an (almost) all-IAABO state.

We go opposite in three-whistle and opposite for free throws in two-whistle.

bob jenkins Sun Jun 09, 2019 08:46am

I found a couple of books.

Official's Manual, 1999-2002
Three Officials, Foul Switching Techniques
a. The official who calls the foul goes opposite the table
b. The opposite side official replaces calling official.
c. The third official remains in the same position occupied at the time the foul was called.

Same verbiage in 1997-1999 book.

If you (or anyone else) wants these books, let me know:
1997-1999 Official's Manual
1998-2000 Handbook
1998-1999 Simplified and Illustrated
1999-2001 Official's Handbook

Freddy Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:45pm

Thanx, Bob!
 
I'll take the 1999-2002 NFHS Officials Manual.
Expect a PM from me with my mailing address.
Tell me how much you want for postage and the pain of having to mail it.
Thanx again!

bob jenkins Sun Jun 09, 2019 04:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 1033317)
I'll take the 1999-2002 NFHS Officials Manual.
Expect a PM from me with my mailing address.
Tell me how much you want for postage and the pain of having to mail it.
Thanx again!

You might as well take them all. It can't cost hardly any more to ship 4 instead of 1. (Unless someone else wants them and lets me know before I ship these)

You can pay either:

(a) exactly what it costs me to sen them. Let me know if you want first class or book rate (I can get you prices from work tomorrow).

or

(b) since searching for these books cause us to have to move, the cost of the movers. I'd estimate that at $5k - $10k.

Freddy Sun Jun 09, 2019 05:30pm

First class for 1. The officials manual. If it's not appreciably more go ahead and put the other ones in there.

OKREF Sun Jun 09, 2019 08:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 1033213)
Anyone out there whose state has high school officials going "opposite table" after reporting?

In Oklahoma we had been going opposite table in 2 person games, however, starting this year we will be going to the table, to be consistent with 3 person

Freddy Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:05pm

Always Thank Bob
 
My thanks to Bob for sending me two NFHS Officials Manuals from just before and just after the turn of the century.
I had to pay his moving expenses to get him to mail them to me, but I guess it was worth it.
Thanx Bob!

BillyMac Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:10pm

Back In The Day ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 1033458)
... two NFHS Officials Manuals from just before and just after the turn of the century.

You make it sound so ancient.

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Jimmie24 Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 1033213)
Anyone out there whose state has high school officials going "opposite table" after reporting?

Arizona goes opposite table in three person.

ilyazhito Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:48pm

Jimmie, is your group an IAABO board? If so, then your group might be following standard IAABO mechanics. Do non-IAABO groups in Arizona also go opposite in 3-person? I'd really love to know.

Jimmie24 Thu Jun 20, 2019 03:45pm

As far as I know we aren't IAABO. A decision was made at the state level for all 3-person mechanics calling official goes away from table. That is all that is taught at any AIA camps. AZ was mostly 2-person. Last year was first full season where there were options for 3-persons and all state tourney games were 3-person.

Freddy Thu Jun 20, 2019 09:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmie24 (Post 1033466)
As far as I know we aren't IAABO. A decision was made at the state level for all 3-person mechanics calling official goes away from table. That is all that is taught at any AIA camps. AZ was mostly 2-person. Last year was first full season where there were options for 3-persons and all state tourney games were 3-person.

AZ is not an IAABO state. A prominent leader of that state explained to me that AZ is an NFHS state that broke from the code to go "opposite table".

ilyazhito Thu Jun 20, 2019 09:21pm

Interesting. I asked, because I knew that there were at least 2 IAABO boards in AZ. Maybe the practice of the IAABO boards somehow informed the rest of the state.

Perhaps Gessner wants officials to go opposite the table to reduce confrontations. This is the reasoning why opposite the table became the norm in men's college. It could also be that Brian Gessner used to work men's college, and is importing what he is familiar with to the AIA.

Raymond Fri Jun 21, 2019 07:58am

The mysteries of the universe shall be revealed in this thread.

BillyMac Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:27am

Guardians Of The IAABO Galaxy ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1033471)
... there were at least 2 IAABO boards in AZ. Maybe the practice of the IAABO boards somehow informed the rest of the state.

From March/April 2019 IAABO Sportorials magazine:

IAABO Transplants Spread The IAABO Way To The Southwest

John McDonnell, Bd. 326, Arizona and Jeff Jewett, Bd. 71, Arizona, both IAABO Life Members formerly of Boards 6 CT and 20 ME, respectively, have migrated to the Southwest. John and Jeff have formed boards in Arizona and are spreading the IAABO “One Rule, One Interpretation” method of training and educating high school basketball officials.


https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.t...=0&w=300&h=300

All the way from New England to Arizona to fight for truth, justice, and the IAABO way.

Jimmie24 Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1033476)
From March/April 2019 IAABO Sportorials magazine:

IAABO Transplants Spread The IAABO Way To The Southwest

John McDonnell, Bd. 326, Arizona and Jeff Jewett, Bd. 71, Arizona, both IAABO Life Members formerly of Boards 6 CT and 20 ME, respectively, have migrated to the Southwest. John and Jeff have formed boards in Arizona and are spreading the IAABO “One Rule, One Interpretation” method of training and educating high school basketball officials.


https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.t...=0&w=300&h=300

All the way from New England to Arizona to fight for truth, justice, and the IAABO way.

John McDonnell evaluated under the previous state commissioner. The reasoning of going away is to avoid the confrontation as previously stated.

BillyMac Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:07pm

Consistency, Consistency, Consistency ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmie24 (Post 1033478)
John McDonnell evaluated under the previous state commissioner. The reasoning of going away is to avoid the confrontation as previously stated.

Before he retired to Arizona, John McDonnell was the Connecticut State IAABO Interpreter.

His day job was that of a middle school physical education teacher, and he used his superior teaching skills to be a really outstanding State Interpreter.

Before the days of Power Point, and easily accessible slow motion videos, he would teach with a deck of three by five index cards and grease markers with an overhead projector.

He truly believed that the IAABO way of "one rule, one interpretation, (one mechanic)" was the only way to officiate properly.

They say that three things are important in real estate: Location. Location. And location.

According to John McDonnell, three things are important in basketball officiating: Consistency. Consistency. And consistency.

Self-consistency. Consistency within the crew. Consistency from crew to crew.

Accurate rules knowledge. Proper interpretations. Uniform mechanics. Approved signals.

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