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JRutledge Tue Mar 26, 2019 08:46pm

2019 NIT Plays (Video)
 
Play #1:

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More to come if you make requests. I do not watch a lot of these games BTW.

Peace

Raymond Tue Mar 26, 2019 09:13pm

Pretty easy one right there.

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JRutledge Tue Mar 26, 2019 09:26pm

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1031681)
Pretty easy one right there.

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Called by one of my mentors.

Peace

Raymond Tue Mar 26, 2019 09:34pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031682)
Called by one of my mentors.



Peace

I knew that.

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bas2456 Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:28pm

IU alum here.

I don't understand the fouler's reaction. Dakich was right on, that foul has been called pretty consistently in games I've watched.

chapmaja Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:00am

I agree it has been consistently called all year. The question is was this correct?

The question becomes when does he no longer have possession of the ball. I am waiting to see teams adjust to this being called this way and run a fake hand off and have the defender plow over or into the offensive player who still has possession.

As for this call, I think it was correct because I do thank the hand off had taken place already. This is evidenced by the Indiana players arm coming up as he makes contact. Intentional absolutely not, but a moving screen, yes.

AremRed Wed Mar 27, 2019 01:20am

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 1031685)
As for this call, I think it was correct because I do thank the hand off had taken place already. This is evidenced by the Indiana players arm coming up as he makes contact. Intentional absolutely not, but a moving screen, yes.

Whether the dribbler has handed the ball off before contact or not has no bearing on whether or not an illegal screen can be called. If you judge that the ball handler is screening an opponent and he is not doing so legally, it is an offensive foul. This is where the judgement comes in— same as determine whether an offensive player is cutting and causes incidental contact versus screening and causing illegal contact.

Raymond Wed Mar 27, 2019 07:46am

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 1031685)
I agree it has been consistently called all year. The question is was this correct?

The question becomes when does he no longer have possession of the ball. I am waiting to see teams adjust to this being called this way and run a fake hand off and have the defender plow over or into the offensive player who still has possession.
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It's the offensive player who is doing the plowing, so why would it matter if he had the ball or not? The defensive player is not displacing the offensive player.

bucky Wed Mar 27, 2019 09:12am

Ball is irrelevant. Ball handler never came to a stop.

JRutledge Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:01am

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 1031685)
I agree it has been consistently called all year. The question is was this correct?

The question becomes when does he no longer have possession of the ball. I am waiting to see teams adjust to this being called this way and run a fake hand off and have the defender plow over or into the offensive player who still has possession.

As for this call, I think it was correct because I do thank the hand off had taken place already. This is evidenced by the Indiana players arm coming up as he makes contact. Intentional absolutely not, but a moving screen, yes.

Because the rules people have said this was illegal and wanted it called. It is that simple. It is considered an illegal screen and actually has for a few years now on video as an example of illegal screens.

Peace

deecee Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 1031685)
I agree it has been consistently called all year. The question is was this correct?

The question becomes when does he no longer have possession of the ball. I am waiting to see teams adjust to this being called this way and run a fake hand off and have the defender plow over or into the offensive player who still has possession.

As for this call, I think it was correct because I do thank the hand off had taken place already. This is evidenced by the Indiana players arm coming up as he makes contact. Intentional absolutely not, but a moving screen, yes.

Man this is pretty off base and incorrect. None of this logic is factual at all. I would like to nominate this as today's "Fake Post"

Pantherdreams Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:37pm

Moderately related to post:

I tried to do a better job with the dribble handoffs this year as we are seeing more of them and I didn't think I had been reading them well before.

Overall the more you see them and the more you are anticipating the ball carrier becoming a screener and making sure they meet the requirements for each its ok. I little tougher in 2 person as you are officiating on ball d, trying to pick up in coming competitive matchup and the ball carriers feet but if the game has good flow and its not random I'm getting better.

This one seems pretty easy, as do the ones where they offense is clearly just washing out the intial defender.

2 areas I find difficult to adjudicate in these situations I would love assistance/feedback about:

1) If d team is switching everything. Then contact/moving elements from screener don't create disadvantage unless they are rolling through or washing out the switching defender. Would you call the act/contact the same regardless of how it was being defended?

2) As another poster brings up if the offense dribbles at the defense hesitates and the curler sprints by like the handoff if coming but the dribbler just keeps attacking in the direction of the running defender. There is some questionable time and space stuff that can happen and who is responsible for contact can get tricky if the play gets blown up.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1031714)

2 areas I find difficult to adjudicate in these situations I would love assistance/feedback about:

1) If d team is switching everything. Then contact/moving elements from screener don't create disadvantage unless they are rolling through or washing out the switching defender. Would you call the act/contact the same regardless of how it was being defended?

I am not sure I understand the question honestly. I do call fouls on illegal screens when they displace, bump or prevent the defender (could be offensive player in some cases) from doing what they intend. That usually means that the screened player has to do something to get the call. If you stop or decide you have no intentions on going around or you accept the person is in front of you, I am not likely to make the call.

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1031714)
2) As another poster brings up if the offense dribbles at the defense hesitates and the curler sprints by like the handoff if coming but the dribbler just keeps attacking in the direction of the running defender. There is some questionable time and space stuff that can happen and who is responsible for contact can get tricky if the play gets blown up.

Offensive players are often aware of where they are going. Defensive players often react. This is why we get paid the big bucks to make these decisions. ;)

Peace

Pantherdreams Thu Mar 28, 2019 01:00pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031715)
I am not sure I understand the question honestly. I do call fouls on illegal screens when they displace, bump or prevent the defender (could be offensive player in some cases) from doing what they intend. That usually means that the screened player has to do something to get the call. If you stop or decide you have no intentions on going around or you accept the person is in front of you, I am not likely to make the call.


Peace

Agreed I just don't want to get caught up with the tail wagging the dog situation. Where a coach starts asking about illegal screen calls which I say aren't getting because they switch and there is no contact, and then she comes back with they have to switch because they are setting illegal screens that aren't getting called.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2019 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1031716)
Agreed I just don't want to get caught up with the tail wagging the dog situation. Where a coach starts asking about illegal screen calls which I say aren't getting because they switch and there is no contact, and then she comes back with they have to switch because they are setting illegal screens that aren't getting called.

If I see an illegal screen, I call them when I see them. Coaches crying for them does not make it illegal. Often their players give up or stop which caused there to be no displacement at all.

Peace


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