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SC Official Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:28pm

Iowa/Tennessee
 
19:02 second half. What did the defender do wrong?

18:54 second half. Double foul on a screen (NCAA POE). Commentary from Steratore.

grunewar Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:31pm

18:54 second half - Initially, the defender just through the screener to the side. For whatever reason, the ref passed on the foul. Should have been called then and we would have avoided the mess later that was called a double-foul.

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2019 01:01pm

I got plenty coming from this game. I need to breathe first. ;)

Peace

Nevadaref Sun Mar 24, 2019 01:15pm

Several whistles which should not have occurred in my opinion.

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2019 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1031540)
Several whistles which should not have occurred in my opinion.

For which situation?

Peace

deecee Sun Mar 24, 2019 01:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031537)
I got plenty coming from this game. I need to breathe first. ;)

Peace

This is not the time to breathe. That can wait for you until April.

SC Official Sun Mar 24, 2019 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031541)
For which situation?

Peace

The foul at 2:39 in the second half.

Nevadaref Sun Mar 24, 2019 02:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1031545)
The foul at 2:39 in the second half.

If this is the drive along the lane line tableside by Tenn which was whistled as a defensive foul, then I agree.

Bohannen of Iowa was also called for a blocking foul opposite the table. I have no idea what he did wrong as a defender.

Add in the 3pt shot by Bohannen during which Turner was called for a foul while the C indicates a clean block.

There was also a block/charge near the FT line late in the 2nd half (score was 69-67, I think) which the T adjudged as a block that I felt was a clear charge.

I thought Iowa had several tough whistles against them in the second half.

constable Mon Mar 25, 2019 08:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1031550)
If this is the drive along the lane line tableside by Tenn which was whistled as a defensive foul, then I agree.

Bohannen of Iowa was also called for a blocking foul opposite the table. I have no idea what he did wrong as a defender.

Add in the 3pt shot by Bohannen during which Turner was called for a foul while the C indicates a clean block.

There was also a block/charge near the FT line late in the 2nd half (score was 69-67, I think) which the T adjudged as a block that I felt was a clear charge.

I thought Iowa had several tough whistles against them in the second half.

That looked absolutely awful.

SC Official Mon Mar 25, 2019 08:26am

Classic example of how the unnecessary "blocked shot" signal can burn the crew.

JRutledge Mon Mar 25, 2019 01:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1031531)
19:02 second half. What did the defender do wrong?

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Peace

JRutledge Mon Mar 25, 2019 01:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1031531)
18:54 second half. Double foul on a screen (NCAA POE). Commentary from Steratore.

Play #2:

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dabard Mon Mar 25, 2019 01:26pm

Double Foul
 
I was irritated with that double foul call when I saw it live. Borders on being embarrassing for the official.

JRutledge Mon Mar 25, 2019 01:35pm

Play #3:

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Peace

JRutledge Mon Mar 25, 2019 01:47pm

Play #4:

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Peace

AremRed Mon Mar 25, 2019 01:55pm

Play 1: Block, falling before contact, trips opponent. CC.

Play 2: Missed first defensive foul, INC.

Play 3: Blocked shot, IC.

Play 4: Blocked shot. Doesn't matter if defender brings his arms down if he blocks the shot. CC.

JRutledge Mon Mar 25, 2019 02:05pm

Play #5:

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Peace

chapmaja Mon Mar 25, 2019 03:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031628)
Play #5:

Correct call in my opinion. The offensive player still appears to have possession of the ball when he returns to the floor having been prevented from releasing the ball by a legal defensive play.

What upset the Tennessee fans was that, in my opinion, after they returned to the floor the defender clearly ripped the ball away from the Iowa player, so they only saw what looked like a strip, not what actually caused the end of the playing action which was the Iowa player still in possession return to the floor after being prevented from releasing the ball.

chapmaja Mon Mar 25, 2019 04:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1031625)
Play 1: Block, falling before contact, trips opponent. CC.

Play 2: Missed first defensive foul, INC.

Play 3: Blocked shot, IC.

Play 4: Blocked shot. Doesn't matter if defender brings his arms down if he blocks the shot. CC.

I agree on all of those. The worst one of those to me was the double foul, which clearly missed two potential fouls on Iowa before the double foul was called.

JRutledge Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:37am

Play #5:

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Peace

Raymond Tue Mar 26, 2019 08:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031667)
Play #5:

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Peace

I have illegal contact by the defender at the FT line prior to any shot attempt.

JRutledge Tue Mar 26, 2019 09:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1031668)
I have illegal contact by the defender at the FT line prior to any shot attempt.

For the record, I believe he was given 2 shots and they were not in the "double bonus."

Peace

MechanicGuy Tue Mar 26, 2019 03:10pm

Looks like one official had a very off night. Or afternoon I guess.

What in the world happened on that 3 pt foul?

AremRed Tue Mar 26, 2019 03:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 1031673)
Looks like one official had a very off night. Or afternoon I guess.

What in the world happened on that 3 pt foul?

As Trail was hitting the whistle to call a foul he realized Slot was signaling a tip. Surprised him so he didn’t post. Realized he couldn’t take back the whistle and go inadvertent so he basically met Slot and said he messed up and said they had to go with it. Then dealt with it. Not sure he went over to Rick Barnes but I’m sure TO knew he fu¢ked up right away.

SC Official Tue Mar 26, 2019 04:13pm

John Adams said they should have gone with an IW on Twitter.

Raymond Tue Mar 26, 2019 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1031676)
John Adams said they should have gone with an IW on Twitter.

Last game I worked this season I blew my whistle to call a rebounding foul. The ball had bounced high off the rim and I thought it was going to miss, but it went in. I immediately said inadvertent whistle and got the game moving. My supervisor loved to call

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SC Official Tue Mar 26, 2019 05:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1031677)
Last game I worked this season I blew my whistle to call a rebounding foul. The ball had bounced high off the rim and I thought it was going to miss, but it went in. I immediately said inadvertent whistle and got the game moving. My supervisor loved to call

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Yep, has happened to me more than once.

JRutledge Tue Mar 26, 2019 06:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1031676)
John Adams said they should have gone with an IW on Twitter.

I think he thought he saw something. I think he was confused by what he saw his partner did and went with why he blew his whistle. Now after the game, he probably had a different opinion about the call. But during I think he at the time clearly saw something. I think we all are saying this after the fact with replays and debate over the issue. Sometimes you do not know you got the play wrong until after the game.

Peace

RefRich Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031679)
Sometimes you do not know you got the play wrong until after the game.

Peace

I had a game a few years ago, made a call I thought I nailed, saw the play develop and finish from a different angle on film...I thought wrong.

JRutledge Wed Mar 27, 2019 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RefRich (Post 1031692)
I had a game a few years ago, made a call I thought I nailed, saw the play develop and finish from a different angle on film...I thought wrong.

That happens more to me than knowing immediately. At least when I actually blow my whistle. There are times when I might not call something because I would be guessing and did not do anything or call anything. Those I know a little better that something was missed.

Peace


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