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CJP Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1030145)
That begs the question, would the game have not improved absent the seatbelt rule?

Depends on how much tolerance you have. I don't have much for a coach who already got his first T.

SC Official Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1030150)
Depends on how much tolerance you have. I don't have much for a coach who already got his first T.

That has nothing to do with the seatbelt rule.

In other words, the game improves because the coach got a T, not because he has to sit.

CJP Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1030158)
That has nothing to do with the seatbelt rule.

In other words, the game improves because the coach got a T, not because he has to sit.

If you say so.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by SD Referee (Post 1030134)
Disagree 100%. We adopted the shot clock a few years back and you hardly notice it at all. Keeps the pace of the game up. You also don't get teams holding the ball for 2 minutes of game time any more.

I don't see that without the shot clock more than 1-2 times a year....it is a solution looking for a problem.

JRutledge Tue Feb 12, 2019 01:09pm

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Originally Posted by SD Referee (Post 1030134)
Disagree 100%. We adopted the shot clock a few years back and you hardly notice it at all. Keeps the pace of the game up. You also don't get teams holding the ball for 2 minutes of game time any more.

I cannot remember the last time I have seen a team hold the ball for 2 minutes in my career. I have certainly had it happen, but we are talking over 10 years ago. And the only time I see a team hold the ball for more than 30 or 40 seconds, is so they get the last shot in the quarter. That is actually very common in college games too more than high school.

I love how the narrative is to suggest this is something going on all the time when it simply is not the case.

Peace

SC Official Tue Feb 12, 2019 01:17pm

I don't understand why the pro-shot clock crowd talks about how awful stalling is but never says anything about the defenses sitting back and not making any attempt to get a count or force action.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Feb 12, 2019 01:25pm

Shot Clock and Lack of Sufficient Action.
 
Since most everyone knows my position with regard to Shot Clocks, my suggestion is to bring back the Lack of Sufficient Action Rule with one tweak bring back the Mid-Court and Forecourt Areas to make the Rule easier to adjudicate.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Tue Feb 12, 2019 02:04pm

And We'll Need A Ladder Too ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1030166)
Since most everyone knows my position with regard to Shot Clocks, my suggestion is to bring back the Lack of Sufficient Action Rule with one tweak bring back the Mid-Court and Forecourt Areas to make the Rule easier to adjudicate.

And don't forget the peach baskets. We gotta get the peach baskets back.

JRutledge Tue Feb 12, 2019 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1030166)
Since most everyone knows my position with regard to Shot Clocks, my suggestion is to bring back the Lack of Sufficient Action Rule with one tweak bring back the Mid-Court and Forecourt Areas to make the Rule easier to adjudicate.

MTD, Sr.

I love your nostalgia on these things, but they are not bringing back that rule. They will put in the shot clock before they bring back that silly rule.

Peace

Raymond Tue Feb 12, 2019 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1030158)
That has nothing to do with the seatbelt rule.

In other words, the game improves because the coach got a T, not because he has to sit.

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1030160)
If you say so.

That's been my experience at the college level. HC gets a T and pretty much STFU the rest of the game and sticks to coaching.

SD Referee Tue Feb 12, 2019 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1030161)
I don't see that without the shot clock more than 1-2 times a year....it is a solution looking for a problem.

That may be true in your area, but not in mine. Saying it's a solution looking for a problem does not make it true for the whole high school basketball playing population.

In our area, it was common to see a team pass/hold a ball for 1-2 minutes at the end of a quarter or game to get the last shot.

I understand that adding the shot clock to areas where 2 man crews are the norm may make it harder, but if you work 3 man, the shot clock doesn't have much effect on the officials. If you can't handle adding the shot clock, well.......

SD Referee Tue Feb 12, 2019 05:07pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1030163)
I cannot remember the last time I have seen a team hold the ball for 2 minutes in my career. I have certainly had it happen, but we are talking over 10 years ago. And the only time I see a team hold the ball for more than 30 or 40 seconds, is so they get the last shot in the quarter. That is actually very common in college games too more than high school.

I love how the narrative is to suggest this is something going on all the time when it simply is not the case.

Peace

It's wasn't all the time, but was VERY COMMON in my area. I don't know if it's lack of skillful players or coaching philosophy in this area, but teams were more than happy to hold onto the ball for 1-2 minutes to get the last shot.

Some of you(not necessarily you personally) veteran, decorated officials are acting like the addition of a shot clock substantially changes your job. I'm surprised at the reaction. Is it because you work primarily 2 man crews?

SD Referee Tue Feb 12, 2019 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1030165)
I don't understand why the pro-shot clock crowd talks about how awful stalling is but never says anything about the defenses sitting back and not making any attempt to get a count or force action.

It's not out of the question to have a quality team be very capable of passing the ball around and dribbling around for 1-2 minutes if the defense forces the action.

bob jenkins Tue Feb 12, 2019 05:09pm

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Originally Posted by SD Referee (Post 1030190)
It's not out of the question to have a quality team be very capable of passing the ball around and dribbling around for 1-2 minutes if the defense forces the action.

Good for them. Seriously. They should be allowed to continue to do so.

frezer11 Tue Feb 12, 2019 05:29pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1030191)
Good for them. Seriously. They should be allowed to continue to do so.

Absolutely! That's not inactivity, that's not a game killer. I don't know why we seem determined to force teams out of a possession.


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