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LRZ Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:30pm

Safety
 
Yesterday, there was a 4-game rivalry series between two local schools--girls jv, girls varsity, boys varsity, then finally, boys jv. For the two varsity games, the gym was packed to capacity. I was there solely as a spectator, not an official.

Apparently, because of the crowd, condensation formed on the ceiling during the third game (boys varsity) and dripped steadily onto the floor right underneath one basket. The two ADs sat on the bleachers under the basket, armed with towels, and did a quick mop-up every time--every time!--the ball went the other way. I don't know if the three varsity officials or the two refs for the final game (boys jv) expressed any doubt about the wisdom of playing under potentially dangerous conditions, but all four games were played, and although there were several slips, no one was injured.

Because of the risk, I'm not sure I would have played the final game; I would have suggested rescheduling it.

Anyone ever deal with this kind of safety-related dilemma? If so, how was the problem handled?

bob jenkins Sat Jan 19, 2019 08:32pm

Sure. And, i fit can be dealt with, as in this instance, it really isn't an issue.

LRZ Sat Jan 19, 2019 08:53pm

With several players slipping, I'm not sure the solution was entirely satisfactory.

In any event, I was not asking opinions about how this situation was handled. Rather, I was really asking if anyone has gotten to a game and found an unsafe situation that could not really be remedied.

DrPete Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:20pm

I remember a D1 game with the University of Virginia playing someone at the Richmond Coliseum. The basketball court was laid down over the ice hockey rink. It was a warm, and unusually humid winter day. They had all the doors open.
Well the humidity and the cold floor did not mix well. After seeing numerous players slip and slide they called the game in the first half. Forget about state rivalry game or the television contracts, the player safety always should come first.

paulsonj72 Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 1029049)
I remember a D1 game with the University of Virginia playing someone at the Richmond Coliseum. The basketball court was laid down over the ice hockey rink. It was a warm, and unusually humid winter day. They had all the doors open.
Well the humidity and the cold floor did not mix well. After seeing numerous players slip and slide they called the game in the first half. Forget about state rivalry game or the television contracts, the player safety always should come first.

IIRC it was a Big ten/ACC Challenge game and UVA was playing Michigan St and it as an ESPN televised game back in 2001

https://www.richmond.com/sports/coll...9bb30f31a.html

Nevadaref Sun Jan 20, 2019 03:51am

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1029047)
With several players slipping, I'm not sure the solution was entirely satisfactory.

In any event, I was not asking opinions about how this situation was handled. Rather, I was really asking if anyone has gotten to a game and found an unsafe situation that could not really be remedied.

Yes, about five years ago the home team had several fans from the student section imitate Lebron James and toss baby powder in the air before the contest.

The powder got into the air ducts and made the court so slick that we couldn’t play. Fortunately, the visiting school was only a mile away and we were able to shift the game to that location and play that evening. There was no possible way to play at the home school.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 20, 2019 03:55am

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Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 1029049)
I remember a D1 game with the University of Virginia playing someone at the Richmond Coliseum. The basketball court was laid down over the ice hockey rink. It was a warm, and unusually humid winter day. They had all the doors open.
Well the humidity and the cold floor did not mix well. After seeing numerous players slip and slide they called the game in the first half. Forget about state rivalry game or the television contracts, the player safety always should come first.

I recall some hockey/ice situation as well a few years ago. It was an NBA game and the contest was cancelled due to excessive condensation. I’ll try to look it up.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 20, 2019 03:59am

Here is the article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fa15180b8d2f

LRZ Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:41am

I don't know if anyone questioned playing on the night I observed, but I'm sure there was pressure to get the games in, especially as it was a big rivalry night. And we do not have a league commissioner, who could be called for a decision.

If I were one of the officials, I would probably have felt compelled to go along, but with a caveat: "The first time a kid goes down, we stop the game."

BillyMac Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:40pm

John Doe Versus Richard Roe ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1029058)
"The first time a kid goes down, we stop the game."

Hopefully that kid's father isn't an attorney.

ilyazhito Sun Jan 20, 2019 04:14pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1029065)
Hopefully that kid's father isn't an attorney.

I had a different, yet similar situation. My assigner had me be on call yesterday to do a girls' varsity game following the JV boys game I was assigned to. The game was cancelled and unconcerned multiple times within 2 days, including on the day of the game, so my assigner was unable to provide additional officials. My assigner had advised me to leave, so I called both coaches together before the game was supposed to start, and told them that the game would not be played, because I cannot officiate alone. The AD called my assigner again, but when my assigner called me back, I told her that I had "zero interest in working a one-person game, especially on short notice". I then undressed and left the school.

bucky Sun Jan 20, 2019 04:51pm

I love one-person games, what a great workout!

grunewar Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:50pm

Hope You're Being Sarcastic
 
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1029075)
I love one-person games, what a great workout!

Not me. Especially at the upper levels. Just can't cover what's needed to do a good job.

jmwking Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:02am

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Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1029074)
... I then undressed and left the school.

:eek:

:p

frezer11 Mon Jan 21, 2019 01:05am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1029053)
Yes, about five years ago the home team had several fans from the student section imitate Lebron James and toss baby powder in the air before the contest.

The powder got into the air ducts and made the court so slick that we couldn’t play. Fortunately, the visiting school was only a mile away and we were able to shift the game to that location and play that evening. There was no possible way to play at the home school.

We had a somewhat similar situation happen here a couple years ago, but it didn't get into the air ducts, rather just on the court. They had to pull out the floor scrubber and delayed the game by about 30 minutes, and this happened as both teams and officials were lined up for the opening tip.


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