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SC Official Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:14pm

UConn-Tulsa: Two Coach Ejections
 
Did anyone clip the video of the spat between the UConn and Tulsa head coaches that eventually led to both of them getting dumped?

#olderthanilook Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:18pm

Danny Hurley and Frank Haith, right? Some guys at work were talking about it this morning. Big blowup in front of the score table, or something. I'd like to see the video too.

JRutledge Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:20pm

A little help here. When did these happen?

Peace

UNIgiantslayers Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:26pm

11:19 2nd half.

jeremy341a Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:28pm

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Article on it

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ke/2599373002/

#olderthanilook Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:01pm

Hurley said he felt "...as though that situation escalated because of the officials and the way they handled the situation." after the first technical fouls were issued.

It doesn't look like it to me.

SC Official Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:02pm

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1028947)
Hurley said he felt "...as though that situation escalated because of the officials and the way they handled the situation." after the first technical fouls were issued.

Of course he did.

When's the last time these coaches ever publicly took accountability for their behavior rather than passing the buck to someone else?

JRutledge Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:11pm

Funny, one of my supervisors is on this game. I wonder if we will hear the back story later.

Peace

#olderthanilook Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1028948)
Of course he did.

When's the last time these coaches ever publicly took accountability for their behavior rather than passing the buck to someone else?

heh...yep. It's all right there on film, coaches.

I do hope we get some of that back story from Rut's sup later, too.

Altor Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1028947)
Hurley said he felt "...as though that situation escalated because of the officials and the way they handled the situation." after the first technical fouls were issued.

It doesn't look like it to me.

So, after being warned by one official and then receiving technical fouls by a second, the situation escalated because the officials didn't do their job by doing what exactly? Should they have duct taped your mouths shut to keep you in the game?
:rolleyes:

#olderthanilook Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1028958)
So, after being warned by one official and then receiving technical fouls by a second, the situation escalated because the officials didn't do their job by doing what exactly? Should they have duct taped your mouths shut to keep you in the game?
:rolleyes:

It's like coaches saying a player got hurt/could've got hurt because the officials didn't do their job. Well, we engage in good communication with players and call fouls. What else are we supposed to do to ensure Rusty doesn't hurt Jimmy? Run between them during a drive to the basket and make sure we keep them separated?

Good grief.

At some point coaches (and players) have to take responsibility for what they *can* control....and that is their mouths and professional candor.

so cal lurker Thu Jan 17, 2019 06:24pm

Will they both get an extra suspension for not leaving when ejected?

HokiePaul Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1028958)
So, after being warned by one official and then receiving technical fouls by a second, the situation escalated because the officials didn't do their job by doing what exactly? Should they have duct taped your mouths shut to keep you in the game?
:rolleyes:

I think the first official was issuing a double technical foul, not a warning. My understanding was that the disqualification was for 2 technical. Unless they had one each from earlier.

My only question on this was did the second official realize that his partner had given a technical already. The mechanics used by the first official were a little odd as he appeared to give the double foul signal, but not the "T" signal.

AremRed Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:15am

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 1028994)
I think the first official was issuing a double technical foul, not a warning. My understanding was that the disqualification was for 2 technical. Unless they had one each from earlier.

My only question on this was did the second official realize that his partner had given a technical already. The mechanics used by the first official were a little odd as he appeared to give the double foul signal, but not the "T" signal.

Marques Pettigrew gave double warning, then Pat Adams gave double T, then Marques gave second double T and ejected both coaches, pretty simple to understand.

HokiePaul Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:33am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1028999)
Marques Pettigrew gave double warning, then Pat Adams gave double T, then Marques gave second double T and ejected both coaches, pretty simple to understand.

Well I don't know the officials names, but I guess I missed the second technical if the first official issued a warning. Perhaps the call for the second T didn't occur on camera

SC Official Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:37am

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1028969)
Will they both get an extra suspension for not leaving when ejected?

Coaches rarely get suspended at that level for ejections, even if they don't "leave in a timely manner" like the NBA requires.

thedewed Sat Jan 19, 2019 05:34pm

shocker, I see this differently than the rest of you. one T is ok, after that the young guy overreacted rather than taking stock of what was happening. if these 2 coaches that knew each other were coming at each other with a hand out, let the moment happen. be human. It actually would have been a nice moment. I think Pat got it. The 2nd official overl-reacted and created a cluster. that people management separates good officials from great officials. it isn't us vs. them. help them settle down, and if they want to shake hands, let them. don't cite 'out of the coaching box' for a 2nd tech in that situation. teaching moment that is lost on the posters that have weighed in so far.

UNIgiantslayers Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:45am

It takes a great official to get to D1. Knock it off.

Raymond Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:48am

The second technicals could not have been for being out of the coaching box. That is a Class B technical and would not have led to an ejection. So come up with a new theory for that one.

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Nevadaref Sun Jan 20, 2019 04:03am

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Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029044)
shocker, I see this differently than the rest of you. one T is ok, after that the young guy overreacted rather than taking stock of what was happening. if these 2 coaches that knew each other were coming at each other with a hand out, let the moment happen. be human. It actually would have been a nice moment. I think Pat got it. The 2nd official overl-reacted and created a cluster. that people management separates good officials from great officials. it isn't us vs. them. help them settle down, and if they want to shake hands, let them. don't cite 'out of the coaching box' for a 2nd tech in that situation. teaching moment that is lost on the posters that have weighed in so far.

This guy is clueless. Always has been as long as he has posted here. Ignore whatever he writes.

thedewed Sun Jan 20, 2019 06:18am

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029052)
The second technicals could not have been for being out of the coaching box. That is a Class B technical and would not have led to an ejection. So come up with a new theory for that one.

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Hmmm, I guess that that rule shouldn't have been cited by the officials in the statement that they were quoted in after the game, per the USA Today article cited.

C'mon, a 5 minute delay for that? Embarrassing. the 2nd shouldn't have happened, nor the ridiculous delay. There are young guys that read this forum and can learn from this. The lesson they learn from the rest of you on this is very inappropriate.

Raymond Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:56am

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Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029057)
Hmmm, I guess that that rule shouldn't have been cited by the officials in the statement that they were quoted in after the game, per the USA Today article cited.



C'mon, a 5 minute delay for that? Embarrassing. the 2nd shouldn't have happened, nor the ridiculous delay. There are young guys that read this forum and can learn from this. The lesson they learn from the rest of you on this is very inappropriate.

The 5 minute delay would have been precluded if they would have the ejected those clowns immediately. I don't officiate games to entertain idiot coaches who think they can take over while we sit back and let them figure out what they're going to do. If they want to be juvenile a$$holes and hold up the game, then whatever happens to them is on them and not the officials.

The fact that you support such clownfish behavior from coaches says a lot about you and whether or not you're currently an official or just a troll fan who likes to stir up s***.

That USA article citation is wrong on its face. Rule 10 section 1 covers personal fouls. It's Appendix III Section 1 that covers bench decorum.

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thedewed Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:13am

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029059)
The 5 minute delay would have been precluded if they would have the ejected those clowns immediately. I don't officiate games to entertain idiot coaches who think they can take over while we sit back and let them figure out what they're going to do. If they want to be juvenile a$$holes and hold up the game, then whatever happens to them is on them and not the officials.

The fact that you support such clownfish behavior from coaches says a lot about you and whether or not you're currently an official or just a troll fan who likes to stir up s***.

That USA article citation is wrong on its face. Rule 10 section 1 covers personal fouls. It's Appendix III Section 1 that covers bench decorum.

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It's quoting a statement from the officials. This was a clown show because the officials didn't manage it properly.

Raymond Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029060)
It's quoting a statement from the officials. This was a clown show because the officials didn't manage it properly.

It was a clown show because the coaches have the same mentality as you have.

And the citation given by the USA today was obviously wrong. Any halfway competent referee would have recognized it immediately. Guess that tells a lot about your qualifications on this subject.

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thedewed Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029063)
It was a clown show because the coaches have the same mentality as you have.

And the citation given by the USA today was obviously wrong. Any halfway competent referee would have recognized it immediately. Guess that tells a lot about your qualifications on this subject.

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Uhhh, the article was quoting a statement from the OFFICIALS. I actually think you can see the other 2 officials trying to figure out if they can back out of the 2nd tech's during the videotape. The kid misunderstood why the coaches approached each other. check it out

Camron Rust Sun Jan 20, 2019 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029064)
Uhhh, the article was quoting a statement from the OFFICIALS. I actually think you can see the other 2 officials trying to figure out if they can back out of the 2nd tech's during the videotape. The kid misunderstood why the coaches approached each other. check it out

You're assuming the article was accurate.

JRutledge Sun Jan 20, 2019 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029060)
It's quoting a statement from the officials. This was a clown show because the officials didn't manage it properly.

So they are supposed to allow the coaches to yell at each other all day? And when told to knock it off essentially, they are to just allow it to continue? Why would a coach need to shake the hand of another coach afterward during the game?

I am sorry, but I have not been in many games where coaches start yelling at each other. I have had one situation in my career where I had to stop the game and address it, but the coaches realized how stupid they looked and stopped. These coaches did not do that. I have no issues with the way the officials handled. I bet the coaches do not do that again or other coaches realize how stupid that looks. Unusual for sure, but I not sure what you want them to do if the coaches are too dumb to stop.

Peace

JRutledge Sun Jan 20, 2019 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029044)
shocker, I see this differently than the rest of you. one T is ok, after that the young guy overreacted rather than taking stock of what was happening. if these 2 coaches that knew each other were coming at each other with a hand out, let the moment happen. be human. It actually would have been a nice moment. I think Pat got it. The 2nd official overl-reacted and created a cluster. that people management separates good officials from great officials. it isn't us vs. them. help them settle down, and if they want to shake hands, let them. don't cite 'out of the coaching box' for a 2nd tech in that situation. teaching moment that is lost on the posters that have weighed in so far.

Actually, only one coach was putting his hand out. The other one was not having it or trying to make any peace. So you are wrong there.

Also, you have no idea what they said to each other. I doubt it was just simple words or simple actions. They likely said something to each other that was inappropriate from the start.

Peace

thedewed Sun Jan 20, 2019 04:01pm

I'd say the young guy came in under the "have another official call the 2nd tech" approach and jumped the gun. It should have been handled better and Pat was on his way to doing that. we are all entitled to our perspective, I maintain with a great official, the situation is diffused before you hand out 4 techs, particularly when the coaches were not yelling at each other on the last 2. that's quite a disruption, both head coaches gone and 5 minute delay.. I know I know, they are at fault not the officials, not in my book on that one. It should have been managed better. In fact, I'm pretty sure from the tape that they weren't arguing with each other when the ejections were called c'mon what is up with that?

jeremy341a Tue Jan 22, 2019 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1029073)
I'd say the young guy came in under the "have another official call the 2nd tech" approach and jumped the gun. It should have been handled better and Pat was on his way to doing that. we are all entitled to our perspective, I maintain with a great official, the situation is diffused before you hand out 4 techs, particularly when the coaches were not yelling at each other on the last 2. that's quite a disruption, both head coaches gone and 5 minute delay.. I know I know, they are at fault not the officials, not in my book on that one. It should have been managed better. In fact, I'm pretty sure from the tape that they weren't arguing with each other when the ejections were called c'mon what is up with that?


Were they returning to their benches when the second Ts were called? Nope. Were they continuing to be be out of their box, now approaching each other, still speaking to each other and delaying the game further when he second Ts were called? Yep Why should the Coaches continue to get to act inappropriately during the middle of the game without penalty?


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