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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:15am
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Spin Move - Actually called a traveling violation (Video)



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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:57am
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Incorrect call, not consistently called a travel.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:34am
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Good call. He traveled before he even did the spin. He hopped on the same foot after catching the ball and before pivoting around for the spin.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:54am
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I'm assuming he had the right foot as the pivot. The video shows the hop, foot comes up and then back down - travel in my opinion.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 08:21am
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Clear travel and in real time, the hop/skip gives it away. Some could argue it was a technical travel on the initial step too.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 08:32am
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Clear travel and in real time, the hop/skip gives it away. Some could argue it was a technical travel on the initial step too.
If you mean after he catches the ball at the top of the key, I agree. That's what I had when I first watched the video.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:03am
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Incorrect call, not consistently called a travel.
So you're saying that every attempted spin move should be left alone?
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Incorrect call, not consistently called a travel.
Clear travel on the spin move. It's inconsistently called b/c folks like you have a philosophy of not calling it.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:34am
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Clear travel on the spin move. It's inconsistently called b/c folks like you have a philosophy of not calling it.
Well said!!!

I would say a strong majority of spin moves are travels.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 10:20am
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Clear travel on the spin move. It's inconsistently called b/c folks l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ who ref at that level have a philosophy of not calling it.
Fixed that for you.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 10:24am
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So you're saying that every attempted spin move should be left alone?
Negative. I'm saying 1) the official likely can't see the gather of the ball, 2) the official should not call traveling unless he can clearly see both the gather of the ball and which is the pivot foot, and 3) I don't believe the player has fully gathered the ball until AFTER the "skip step", thus making his right-left after the gather legal.
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Clear travel on the spin move. It's inconsistently called b/c folks like youwho ref at THAT level have a philosophy of not calling it.
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Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:16pm
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C has an angle on the ball at rest with the right foot down, player hops on the right (pivot) foot again. I'm not saying that's what he saw, but he could absolutely see that ball at rest in front of the player/on his right hip from C position. Great get.
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 03:40pm
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Fixed that for you.
Wait if they DO call it then wouldn’t it then be consistently called?
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:38pm
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Wait if they DO call it then wouldn’t it then be consistently called?
No. When officials at "that" level are thinking it shouldn't be called and officials "THAT" level do call it, that is inconsistency.

It has been a POE more than once in recent times, even at the NCAA level.
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