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OYC2013 Sat Jan 12, 2019 08:22am

Clock stops when - ball heading out of bounds
 
Letís say there are just seconds left in the game. Shot goes up and player on winning team gets the rebound and throws the ball toward the end line. Ball bounces in play and takes a high bounce toward the stands. Theoretically, a player could attempt to leap from in bounds and attempt to bat the ball back into play without the ball every hitting anything out of bounds and the clock would , of course would keep running. But letís say the ball bounced high enough to actually stay on the air high enough to not touch anything in the stand for letís 3 seconds, which by that point the game clock could go off ending the game.
I see a lot of refs blow the whistle stopping the clock while the ball is still in the air prior to the ball actually hitting something out of bounds.
Granted, in my example above, itís not very likely that a player could leap from in bounds, stay in the air, and actually have a chance of batting the ball back into play, but shouldnít the clock run until the ball hits something out of bounds? I guess itís similar somewhat to a player throwing the ball toward the roof of a big arena, where it never hits any structure but takes 4 seconds or so to finally come down , this running out game clock in the process.
So, do you wait to blow the whistle until the ball actually touches something out of bounds in my example above?

Jay R Sat Jan 12, 2019 08:53am

The rule is clear. The ball is not out of bounds until it touches something out of bounds. Do no blow the whistle until the ball is out of bounds.

BillyMac Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:38am

The Rule Is Clear ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 1028633)
The ball is not out of bounds until it touches something out of bounds. Do no blow the whistle until the ball is out of bounds.

I've never seen this called any other way, and I've spent the last thirty years observing junior varsity games.

crosscountry55 Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:10am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1028636)
I've never seen this called any other way, and I've spent the last thirty years observing junior varsity games.



Fair enough, but on a smaller scale, many inexperienced officials have a tendency to call OOB before the ball is actually OOB. A good example is an air ball that lands just inside the end line, then bounces high and out for a couple of seconds with no one in pursuit until it finally hits a bleacher or wall or whatever. Too many officials blow the whistle early here.

But as said, stick to the rule. In the OP, throwing the ball long was a sound strategy to eat some clock. Donít penalize a smart play. Reminds me of a football team with the lead, defense has no timeouts, 4th down, and about a four second differential between game and play clock. You can either take a safety if up by more than two, OR...just drop back and throw the ball as high as you can and out of bounds. Clock doesnít stop until the ball lands.


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OYC2013 Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:42am

Cross country, that is exactly the example I was thinking of. Air ball that bounces.

Thanks guys!

Wait to blow the whistle.

BillyMac Sat Jan 12, 2019 01:41pm

Or Around The Block Enough Times ...
 
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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1028641)
... many inexperienced officials have a tendency to call OOB before the ball is actually OOB. A good example is an air ball that lands just inside the end line, then bounces high and out for a couple of seconds with no one in pursuit until it finally hits a bleacher or wall or whatever. Too many officials blow the whistle early here.

Maybe I haven't been to enough rodeos, but I haven't seen this.

(We're talking about trained officials working interscholastic games, not some high school players making a few extra bucks working kids recreation games on weekend? Right?)

OYC2013 Sat Jan 12, 2019 03:05pm

Ok, of course I should have googled this first before my original post, but I see this has been covered before (the thread I found was from 6 years ago). In that one, OP saw it happen in a Div 1 college game.

ODog Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:15am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1028652)
Maybe I haven't been to enough rodeos, but I haven't seen this.

(We're talking about trained officials working interscholastic games, not some high school players making a few extra bucks working kids recreation games on weekend? Right?)

Then you're not paying attention. The whistle is blown early on these types of plays all the time Ö yes, even in high school games with "real" officials (gasp).

Sad, but true.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1028668)
Then you're not paying attention. The whistle is blown early on these types of plays all the time Ö yes, even in high school games with "real" officials (gasp).

Sad, but true.

Agree. I've heard the whistle often before the ball is actually OOB. Of course, we're talking much less than a second in situations that really don't matter most all of the time.

bucky Sun Jan 13, 2019 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1028668)
Then you're not paying attention. The whistle is blown early on these types of plays all the time Ö yes, even in high school games with "real" officials (gasp).

Sad, but true.

I have seen it in college and NBA games also.

BillyMac Sun Jan 13, 2019 02:05pm

And The Horse You Rode In On ...
 
I guess that I'll be getting on my horse and going to another rodeo.


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