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BillyMac Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:26pm

Always Listen To bob ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1027679)
It's the home school's fault. Make that coach mad.

Holiday tournament. Neutral court.

BillyMac Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:36pm

Harlem Globetrotters ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027676)
Unless the ball has an rubber band attached to it (à la Harlem Globetrotters), no chance that we're getting it back from the rattled shooter.

https://youtu.be/Wqtv0p8YtTk

While I was searching for the Harlem Globetrotters rubber band trick, I came across another Harlem Globetrotters free throw trick that I had never seen before, there's very little chance we're getting this ball back to readminister:

https://youtu.be/p2I3XJ6nqSY

bob jenkins Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027682)
Holiday tournament. Neutral court.

Give the other coach "two-to-make-one" at the other end on the next FT attempt.

bucky Sun Dec 23, 2018 05:28pm

What am I missing? So the table caused the horn to sound. That has nothing to do with the game AFAIAC. I am not familiar with any rule application. The title of the post said it all "inadvertent." Everything is live and all should continue playing. Addressing the horn after the shot is acceptable but why wave off the first make? What was the table's/ref's explanation for not counting the first FT? Yes, there are lots of things to do to prevent this or even do differently, time permitting, but if there is a horn then immediate shot, who cares? Even if many, but not all, players stopped, who cares, tell them to play.

I find it hard to believe Billy that you would award another shot if the first was missed. You would not do the same if some spectator yelled. By rule, or lack thereof, would you not consider the horn to be treated in the same way?

BillyMac Sun Dec 23, 2018 07:53pm

Distractions ...
 
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027686)
I find it hard to believe Billy that you would award another shot if the first was missed. You would not do the same if some spectator yelled. By rule, or lack thereof, would you not consider the horn to be treated in the same way?

Correct, I would not readminister for a spectator deliberately trying to distract the shooter because, for some reason, that has become accepted behavior, that is mostly out of the control of the officials and more under the control of the game administrators.

The table crew, on the other hand, is under the jurisdiction of the rules, and thus, the game officials, and should act in a neutral manner, in much the same way as the game officials. While the distracting action of the table crew may be innocent and unintentional, it is still distracting, and needs to be remedied (if the horn and release occur near simultaneously).

I've worked games where the action near the end of a period is so intense that I may lose track of the remaining time such that when the horn sounds unexpectedly it scares the bejesus out of me.

I'm not going to expect a kid to maintain his concentration and make his "unhindered" free throw under the same circumstances.

bucky Sun Dec 23, 2018 08:25pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027690)
Correct, I would not readminister for a spectator deliberately trying to distract the shooter because, for some reason, that has become accepted behavior, that is mostly out of the control of the officials and more under the control of the game administrators.

The table crew, on the other hand, in under the jurisdiction of the rules, and thus, the game officials, and should act in a neutral manner, in much the same way as the game officials. While the distracting action of the table crew may be innocent and unintentional, it is still distracting, and needs to be remedied (if the horn and release occur near simultaneously).

I've worked games where the action near the end of a period is so intense that I may lose track of the remaining time such that when the horn sounds unexpectedly it scares the bejesus out of me.

I'm not going to expect a kid to maintain his concentration and make his "unhindered" free throw under the same circumstances.

I can dig it. Indeed, better go all out and do a Joey Crawford when you hear that horn.:p

MattReferee Fri Dec 28, 2018 08:50pm

Horn
 
Let’s remember that we as official control what happens on the floor and our whistle not a inadvertent horn play on !!
Haven’t you been in the situation after a made free-throw”last FT”or made baskets and you have your five second count and you have a substitution at the table and table hits horn 🤭
Do you give the player throwing ball in a few more second because of HORN? Or isn’t it PLAY on ?

BillyMac Sat Dec 29, 2018 01:16am

Blow It Dead ...
 
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Originally Posted by MattReferee (Post 1027806)
... isn’t it PLAY on?

If I can get through the situation with no advantage or disadvantage to either team, I'll yell. "Play", but if I have any indication that the horn will have an adverse effect on anyone, I'll blow it dead.

In my game, with my table crew, I'm not going to allow my horn to screw up any of my players.

BillyMac Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:43am

Distracting ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027690)
I'm not going to expect a kid to maintain his concentration and make his "unhindered" free throw under the same circumstances.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Z...=0&w=300&h=300


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