Iaabo charter membership

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

$275.00 to work on a HS board? That officiating shortage will not be ending anytime soon.

Varsity fee: $97.17, subvarsity fee: $63.05; and exclusive rights to officiate all high school and prep school games in the state (within our local geographic area), as well as almost all middle schools, cost isn't a major issue for most.

If you don't belong, and don't pay your dues and fees, you don't work high school games anywhere in the state.

We had a member suggest to make our annual banquet (it's about $30.00 each, appetizers during cocktail hour, open bar, cloth tablecloths, and napkins) a cash bar banquet to save money. That didn't go over big with the membership.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity fee: $97.17, subvarsity fee: $63.05; and exclusive rights to officiate all high school and prep school games in the state (within our local geographic area), as well as almost all middle schools, cost isn't a major issue for most.

If you don't belong, and don't pay your dues and fees, you don't work high school games anywhere in the state.

We had a member suggest to make our annual banquet (it's about $30.00 each, appetizers during cocktail hour, open bar, cloth tablecloths, and napkins) a cash bar banquet to save money. That didn't go over big with the membership.

What does any of that have to do with extortion level fees/dues a newbie would have to pay just to start out?

So I repeat, your officiating shortage will not be going anywhere for a while. I would insulted if someone solicited me to throw in an additional $30 for a "banquet".

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... would insulted if someone solicited me to throw in an additional $30 for a "banquet".

I apologize for being unclear, the banquet is built into everybody's annual dues (and the annual board budget), even if one doesn't go.

Of course this means that the approximately 33% of us that don't go subsidize the 67% of us that actually go, meaning the banquet cost per plate is actually more than the $30.00 per member that is built into our budget.

The banquet is a little too classy for my taste. When I started almost forty years ago we had our banquet in a church hall with a local caterer, eight foot folding tables, with paper tablecloths, and folding bridge chairs.

Then, for some reason, we upped the ante. Now we have our banquet at some of the finalist banquet facilities in the state.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they deducted $30.00 from our annual dues ($95.00 instead of $125.00) and made the year end banquet and awards ceremony a pay as you go affair, including a cash bar.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What does any of that have to do with extortion level fees/dues a newbie would have to pay just to start out?

Extortion is a strong word, but not too far removed from being accurate.

As a 100% IAABO state, with no other high school assigners except local IAABO assigners, if you don't belong to IAABO, and don't pay your dues and fees, you don't work high school games anywhere in the state.

To compare it to other associations, apples to apples:

Our annual dues ($125.00) is approximately equal to two subvarsity fees ($63.05).

We all pay a 7% assignment fee (7% of our income) regardless of the level we officiate.

Is that grossly unfair compared to other associations?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Extortion is a strong word, but not too far removed from being accurate.

As a 100% IAABO state, with no other high school assigners except local IAABO assigners, if you don't belong to IAABO, and don't pay your dues and fees, you don't work high school games anywhere in the state.

To compare it to other associations, apples to apples:

Our annual dues ($125.00) is approximately equal to two subvarsity fees ($63.05).

We all pay a 7% assignment fee (7% of our income) regardless of the level we officiate.

Is that grossly unfair compared to other associations?

$40 to the state, $45 to the association here. $35 if you choose to join IAABO annually.

So not only do you have a monopoly in your state, they charge exorbitant prices just to work for them. That is some kind of graft in my opinion.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

$40 to the state, $45 to the association here. $35 if you choose to join IAABO annually. So not only do you have a monopoly in your state, they charge exorbitant prices just to work for them.

Putting aside the assignment fee, our annual dues of $125 includes the fee to the state and IAABO International dues.

Seems like your IAABO members (if they choose to) are paying $120.00 annually. Your non IAABO members are paying $85.00 per year.

So we're paying $40.00 more than your non IAABO members, and getting a classy (too classy in my opinion) meal at the end of the year (and membership to IAABO).

I'm not saying that our dues are not expensive, but let's compare apples to apples.

$125.00 is twice a subvarsity fee for us.

The double subvarsity fee gets one an annual membership in our local board, state membership, membership in IAABO International (includes NFHS rulebooks, casebooks, and mechanics manuals), a too classy meal at a high end banquet facility, and exclusive access to high school assignments (no competition from other organizations), thus no additional dues or fees to other high school assigning organizations (I've learned that many Forum members belong to more than one high school assigning organization).

All for the cost of two subvarsity fees.

How does that compare to your annual dues of $85.00?

How may subvarsity fees does it take to cover $85.00 (your non IAABO members)?

How may subvarsity fees does it take to cover $120.00 (your IAABO members)?

How many of your members belong to other high school assigning (and pay additional dues or fees) organizations (I've learned that many Forum members belong to more than one high school assigning organization).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Putting aside the assignment fee, our annual dues of $125 includes the fee to the state and IAABO International dues.

Seems like your IAABO members (if they choose to) are paying $120.00 annually. Your non IAABO members are paying $85.00 per year.

So we're paying $40.00 more than your non IAABO members, and getting a classy (too classy in my opinion) meal at the end of the year (and membership to IAABO).

I'm not saying that our dues are not expensive, but let's compare apples to apples.

$125.00 is twice a subvarsity fee for us.

The double subvarsity fee gets one an annual membership in our local board, state membership, membership in IAABO International (includes NFHS rulebooks, casebooks, and mechanics manuals), a too classy meal at a high end banquet facility, and exclusive access to high school assignments (no competition from other organizations).

All for the cost of two subvarsity fees.

How does that compare to your annual dues of $85.00?

How may subvarsity fees does it take to cover $85.00 (your non IAABO members)?

How may subvarsity fees does it take to cover $120.00 (your IAABO members)?

You listed $125 in fees and $150 in dues, that's $275.

From all the money that I give to my local IAABO board through dues and fees ($125.00 dues, $150.00 fees), approximately $35.00 goes directly to IAABO International.

How is $275 plus 7% of each game justified?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You listed $125 in fees and $150 in dues, that's $275. How is $275 plus 7% of each game justified?

Actually it's $125.00 dues, $150.00 fees ($150 is my 7% assignment fee (full varsity schedule), average on my board is $130).

While it may still not be justified, the $275 includes the 7% assignment fee. It's my total cost. Period.

I was trying to compare your fixed dues with mine.

It's hard to compare total fees when your assignment fee percentage may be different than mine.

Also hard to compare if many your guys belong to more than one high school assigning organizations, each with it's own dues and fees.

If you want to throw stones at out budget (which may be justified), I need to know as many specifics as I've given you.

What's your assignment fee percentage (if any)?

What percentage of your high school guys have to pay to belong to additional organizations to get a full high school schedule?

Do your dues include a banquet (it's 25% of my dues, or 10% of my total dues and fees)?

Bottom line for me is that it takes $275 of my hard earned money to pay for the annual membership in our local board, state membership, membership in IAABO International (includes NFHS rulebooks, casebooks, and mechanics manuals), a too classy meal at a high end banquet facility, exclusive access to high school assignments (no competition from other organizations), thus no additional dues or fees to other high school assigning organizations, and for me to get a full schedule of game assignments.

On the other side of the ledger, the $275 total for the year is equal to four subvarsity fees, or three varsity fees.