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JugglingReferee Tue Oct 14, 2003 08:36pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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This is a good thing because the old guys wouldnt be able to see the red light anyway without their glasses and all!

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Actually,it's better for us to see.What if our hearing aid batteries die at the wrong time? :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]

This is known to have happened!

LOL

Luv4Asian8 Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:35pm

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had a funny argument presented in assocation mtg last nite...."light travels faster than sound" :)
Which is why so many coaches look quite bright...until you hear them ;)

hhaha great one!!;)

Nevadaref Thu Oct 23, 2003 04:53am

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Originally posted by Luv4Asian8
In high school,it's the buzzer,horn,etc.

NFHS Rule 5-6. "It ends when the signal <i>sounds</i> indicating time has expired...". [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks, exactly what i was looking for! [/B][/QUOTE]

How's this for clarity?:
NFHS 1-14 A red light is permitted behind each backboard to supplement the audible timers' signal that time has expired for a quarter or extra period. It shall be synchronized with this signal.

Tim Roden Thu Oct 23, 2003 03:27pm

When I did track, I always looked for the smoke to start the watch. Not the sound. In Basketball they are close enough for them to be almost simultanious. Unless you know for sure one is wronge, I would go with the light on the scoreboard.

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 23, 2003 04:25pm

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Originally posted by Tim Roden

In Basketball they are close enough for them to be almost simultanious. Unless you know for sure one is wronge, I would go with the light on the scoreboard.

Why would you go with the light? :confused: The rulebook says that the period <b>officially</b> ends when the signal <b>sounds</b>. The rulebook also says that the light is "supplemental" only to the signal.Seems pretty straightforward as to which one that they want used.

Camron Rust Thu Oct 23, 2003 07:29pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Tim Roden

In Basketball they are close enough for them to be almost simultanious. Unless you know for sure one is wronge, I would go with the light on the scoreboard.

Why would you go with the light? :confused: The rulebook says that the period <b>officially</b> ends when the signal <b>sounds</b>. The rulebook also says that the light is "supplemental" only to the signal.Seems pretty straightforward as to which one that they want used.

Furtrhermore, unless the planets line up, how are you going to focus on both well. Eyes on the shot, ears open for the horn. Eyes on the clock or light, how are you going to see when the release is?

Tim Roden Fri Oct 24, 2003 03:11pm

Positioning my man. Get the right position and you will always know what went first. Actually I would try to line up so I saw the clock. I am so not used to having a light that I would go with seeing zeros on the clock.

Jurassic Referee Fri Oct 24, 2003 03:39pm

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Originally posted by Tim Roden
Positioning my man. Get the right position and you will always know what went first. Actually I would try to line up so I saw the clock. I am so not used to having a light that I would go with seeing zeros on the clock.

Whoops! Gotta problem with that one too,Tim. Seeing zeros on the clock <b>isn't</b> officially the end of a period either. Only the sound of the horn officially ends the period. I had a game where the clock stopped on a whistle and it then showed 00, but the horn never went off. We had to put to put the ball back into play to make the horn sound,and that officially ended the period.

Mark Dexter Sat Oct 25, 2003 09:03am

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Originally posted by Tim Roden
When I did track, I always looked for the smoke to start the watch. Not the sound. In Basketball they are close enough for them to be almost simultanious. Unless you know for sure one is wronge, I would go with the light on the scoreboard.
That's absolutely correct for track and field - because the action causing the flash and the sound are one and the same. In basketball, however, even though the horn and light are supposed to be synchronized, there are times when they are not. In those cases, the horn prevails.

Tim Roden Sat Oct 25, 2003 03:20pm

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Originally posted by Tim Roden
Positioning my man. Get the right position and you will always know what went first. Actually I would try to line up so I saw the clock. I am so not used to having a light that I would go with seeing zeros on the clock.

Whoops! Gotta problem with that one too,Tim. Seeing zeros on the clock <b>isn't</b> officially the end of a period either. Only the sound of the horn officially ends the period. I had a game where the clock stopped on a whistle and it then showed 00, but the horn never went off. We had to put to put the ball back into play to make the horn sound,and that officially ended the period.

That may be true but if I am looking at the clock for a last second shot I will call off the the shot if I see all zeros and the hand is still on the ball. If the timer can stop the clock with 00 on the clock and no horn, then we play on.

Mark Dexter Sat Oct 25, 2003 07:46pm

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Originally posted by Tim Roden

That may be true but if I am looking at the clock for a last second shot I will call off the the shot if I see all zeros and the hand is still on the ball. If the timer can stop the clock with 00 on the clock and no horn, then we play on.


Been there . . . . done that!

cmathews Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:23pm

gentlemen, what gives you the right, or power to set aside the fact that the horn ends the period, and I respectfully disagree that you can see both the hand on or off the ball and the zeros...we have a clock in a high school here that shows 0:00 a little bit before the horn goes off...we are sure in our pregame conference to tell the visitors, that it is the horn, not the clock that ends the period...


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