Papa's Got A Brand New Bag (James Brown, 1965) ...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You mean your friends in East Haven, Connecticut. It has the highest percentage if Italian Americans in the state with the highest percentage of Italian Americans. As a little tyke, I lived there. The only Irish family in town. They made us sit in the back of the church on Sundays. The doctor always checked me for potato blight, "just in case".

I always thought that you were a "friend" of Whitey Bulger and moved from MA to CT to look after his "business" interests, .

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I always thought that you were a "friend" of Whitey Bulger and moved from MA to CT to look after his "business" interests.

If you live in East Haven, and want a "slice", just stick out your hand and it appears. You never have to go very far.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If you live in East Haven, and want a "slice", just stick out your hand and it appears. You never have to go very far.

I don't have to put my hand out. People just know to bring me my "slice". But I do miss the good old days when "whacking" some meant something other than giving a HC a TF! LOL!

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ODog

For us, most of our top officials are assigned zero (or very few) girls games, and that's just the way it works. No opt-in/opt-out or choosing required.

Boys and girls generally play on different nights, but that doesn't change the fact that some of our top dogs will just get a night off on "girls nights." They don't have to request no girls. Our assignor just does it that way.

Other top officials may get a smattering of girls, says 6-8 games out of 35. I can't think of any "good" officials in our area who do even 40 percent girls games.

So in our area, girls definitely get lower-quality officials -- and fewer three-person crews -- and that's just life.

Pretty much how it works here. I only get asked to work a girls game as a "favor" to the assignor that might assign both. And the rest never even attempt to ask because they already know the answer. I also work college which takes up many of my off high school nights. It is really obvious when the state finals come and the lower classes clearly do not get the same quality of officials as the boys do as a general rule.

Originally Posted by johnny d

I am so happy I don't have to put up with this nonsense in Illinois. If I had to work girls games, I would never have started officiating high school basketball. It is pretty obvious in the Chicago area that the overall quality of girls officials is significantly lower than the boys officials. Most of the men doing high school girls games in this area are doing them because they were not good enough to get boys games or a full schedule of boys games.

And who cares what the principals, athletic directors, coaches, or Gloria Steinem thinks. As an independent contractor, I get to choose for whom and when I work. If they want better officials, they should make their product better.

Yes, yes and yes. This is not social justice we are talking about here. I have no desire to work girls basketball and only did it early on because it would get me experience. Now I have choices and I make no apologies for my choices. When I leave my house I have to be satisfied with what I am doing or I will stay home.

Peace

[Pantherdreams]

We don't choose or get opted into girls or boys. We let our assignor know what nights we are available and then games get assigned to us on that night. Our zone is pretty rural so everyone has to drive everywhere but other than a couple of outliers that require special scheduling all the little schools are in about a 90 minute radius. I could get a varsity and jv boys double header, a boys and girls doubel header, all girls, depends on what the school has on the docket. I had a night last year where I worked with a new official on middle school girls game, before a different partner showed up to work a varsity boys game with me.

Properly rated officials can be given playoff assignments. In our sectional playoffs officials cannot come from the local assigning zone, so we can be sent as pairs or individuals off to sectionals. There is an assigned chief for all weekend who makes the pairings for officials the 2nd day. Officials who officiate the sectional finals are short listed to provincial (state) finals. Overseeing board picks and pairs all officials from that list for finals.

There is no distinction made between girls/boys games in terms of who asks/gets/assigned to what.

[SC Official]

It should also be noted that in my state it's much more economical for the schools to pay officials for a DH than single games.

A single regular-season varsity game is $55 plus mileage ($0.45/mile both ways, minimum $9). A varsity DH is $78 plus mileage (at the same rate). i.e. When we work two games we aren't paid for two separate games ("you're already there").

The schools want to go to flat fees to help with budgeting so eventually that will probably happen, but I doubt that will result in any change to the way games are scheduled.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

No choice here in SC. You work doubleheaders (girls then boys) or you don't work.

Certainly makes it nice and simple.

So, let me think, the boys get the "tired" officials? Parents of girls have to rush home from work to see the game, but parents of boys can just leisurely drive home, get a bite, maybe a "slice", and go to the game?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Certainly makes it nice and simple.

So, let me think, the boys get the "tired" officials? Parents of girls have to rush home from work to see the game, but parents of boys can just leisurely drive home, get a bite, and go to the game?

Girls coaches complaint: "Crews don't give full effort in our games because they have to work another game after."

Boys coaches complaint: "Crews are tired because they had to work a game right before ours."

Only way we would have separate crews is if schools started playing girls and boys on different nights. Not going to happen.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Only way we would have separate crews is if schools started playing girls and boys on different nights.

Back when I started, almost forty years ago, it was almost universal that boys played Tuesday and Friday nights, and girls played on Mondays and Thursdays (we use to have our board meetings on Wednesday nights).

Nice setup, especially for schools with one gymnasium. No need to close the folding doors and split the gym for practice (except for Wednesdays). Teams were guaranteed a full gym on at least two weekday afternoons, at convenient times right after school.

Plenty of officials to work both genders over four different nights.

Why it changed, I don't know?

Some schools now use a "one gender home, the other gender on the road" schedule, and some apparently schedule with a pair of fuzzy dice.

Now we have our board meetings on Sunday mornings, which pisses off those who want to attend religious services with their families.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Girls coaches complaint: "Crews don't give full effort in our games because they have to work another game after." Boys coaches complaint: "Crews are tired because they had to work a game right before ours."

[BillyMac]

Who wants to have more fun?

Cheerleaders.

At all the home games, both genders? Always at boys games (home and on the road)?

[ODog]

For us, most of our top officials are assigned zero (or very few) girls games, and that's just the way it works. No opt-in/opt-out or choosing required.

Boys and girls generally play on different nights, but that doesn't change the fact that some of our top dogs will just get a night off on "girls nights." They don't have to request no girls. Our assignor just does it that way.

Other top officials may get a smattering of girls, says 6-8 games out of 35. I can't think of any "good" officials in our area who do even 40 percent girls games.

So in our area, girls definitely get lower-quality officials -- and fewer three-person crews -- and that's just life.