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[bucky]

"Differing views"? Correct, as based on the language, I believe that the goal should count in any game.

Again, this is based on what I have pictured in my head as the play based on the OP. Happens frequently. Furthermore, if, for those that feel that way, by rule it is to not count, then refer to my tagline.....again.

[JRutledge]

I do not know how frequent this is. I do know that I have seen players have the ball knocked slightly away or not clean during the foul and they regain the ball or tap it in the basket. I would not consider that a miss or end of the try unless the ball completely was away from them. Maybe then I could see not counting a goal on a foul. But that is a stretch IMO to do otherwise.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not consider that a miss or end of the try unless the ball completely was away from them.

(NFHS) Agree. If the ball completely leaves the player's grasp, and then they are somehow are able to retrieve the ball, then the try certainly ended when the ball left the shooter's hand, and the ball becomes dead. The retrieval of the ball is certainly not a customary arm movement. The loss and retrieval of the ball is certainly not a continuous motion. The release of the ball means that it's in flight, ending the act of shooting.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Happens frequently ...

Frequently? I've had it happen exactly once in thirty-seven years. I didn't count the goal, and gave the fouled shooter two free throws. Coach politely questioned me, and really didn't put up much of an argument.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Frequently? I've had it happen exactly once in thirty-seven years. I didn't count the goal, and gave the fouled shooter two free throws. Coach politely questioned me, and really didn't put up much of an argument.

Respectfully, say what? Are you telling me in 37 years you have not had a player drive for a layup, begin his upward motion, lose control (although very, very briefly) from a defensive foul/deflection, regain control, and score the basket? It happened to me twice last night in a pickup game. You have not had a player get hammered (bye bye customary arm movement), contorted their body, thrown the ball towards the hoop making it and scoring it?

Methinks we are not on the same page when it comes to understanding the OP.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Are you telling me you have not had a player drive for a layup, begin his upward motion, lose control (although very, very briefly) from a defensive foul/deflection, regain control, and score the basket?

If by lose control you mean loses complete contact with the ball with both hands at the same time, in essence attempting two separate shots? Yes, only called it once. No basket, two free throws.

Originally Posted by bucky

You have not had a player get hammered (bye bye customary arm movement), contorted their body, thrown the ball towards the hoop making it and scoring it?

No loss of control, at least one hand on the ball at all times? Yes, called it hundreds of times. Score the goal, one free throw.

Note: I would allow a player (count basket, one free throw) moving the ball from hand to hand in a controlled manner, with the ball momentarily losing contact with both hands, but if the ball pops up into the air, and the player grabs it and shoots a second time, no basket, two free throws.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If by lose control you mean loses complete contact with the ball with both hands at the same time, in essence attempting two separate shots? Yes, only called it once. No basket, two free throws.


No loss of control, at least one hand on the ball at all times? Yes, called it hundreds of times. Score the goal, one free throw.

Note: I would allow a player (count basket, one free throw) moving the ball from hand to hand in a controlled manner, with the ball momentarily losing contact with both hands, but if the ball pops up into the air, and the player grabs it and shoots a second time, no basket, two free throws.

Aha, so the real question regards the OP. What did the OP mean by "loses it"?
For you BMAC, losing control means no contact with ball by either hand at same time. For me, losing control does not mean that.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But rarely do they completely lose the ball, then somehow in the air get the ball back and then complete a shot. And this is certainly something that is not frequently happening.

Peace

Yes, agree.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would allow a player (count basket, one free throw) moving the ball from hand to hand in a controlled manner, with the ball momentarily losing contact with both hands, but if the ball pops up into the air, and the player grabs it and shoots a second time, no basket, two free throws.

Originally Posted by bucky

For you BMAC, losing control means no contact with ball by either hand at same time.

Read my complete post. A ball popping up into the air is not the same as a player moving the ball from hand to hand in a controlled manner, with the ball momentarily losing contact with both hands.

I'm not allowing two shots in this situation. They don't get two bites of the apple.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Read my complete post. A ball popping up into the air is not the same as a player moving the ball from hand to hand in a controlled manner, with the ball momentarily losing contact with both hands.

I'm not allowing two shots in this situation. They don't get two bites of the apple.

Indeed I read it...several times for clarity. I understand passing from hand to hand but that is a form of "control", which is exactly what you indicated. "Controlled manner" is not loss of control. Indeed, a ball popping up into the air is not a controlled manner. I get your point fully.

My line "For you BMAC, losing control means no contact with ball by either hand at same time." was meant to be a general description.

[JRutledge]

I will put it this way, I have rarely seen or can remember where such a play has happened. Yes, players have lost the ball, but usually they are not able to complete the shot. But rarely do they completely lose the ball, then somehow in the air get the ball back and then complete a shot. And this is certainly something that is not frequently happening.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have rarely seen or can remember where such a play has happened ... rarely do they completely lose the ball, then somehow in the air get the ball back and then complete a shot. And this is certainly something that is not frequently happening.

Agree fully. As I said earlier, for me, exactly just once in thousands of games. I even remember the school, the end of the court, and that I was the lead. Had to be more than fifteen years ago, but I remember that play as if it happened yesterday.

Now, where are my car keys?