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thedewed Fri Jun 01, 2018 01:44pm

but they didn't stay within the rules, because it was crystal clear to Maurer, or should have been unless he is blind, that LJ was nowhere near the RA. That is the only way they can go to the monitor. The prereq was not there. that's the problem, a biggie. They went outside the clear rules.

SC Official Fri Jun 01, 2018 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by thedewed (Post 1022066)
but they didn't stay within the rules, because it was crystal clear to Maurer, or should have been unless he is blind, that LJ was nowhere near the RA. That is the only way they can go to the monitor. The prereq was not there. that's the problem, a biggie. They went outside the clear rules.

This is so wrong that it doesn't even warrant a response. And if you're going to criticize an official, try spelling his name right.

Multiple Sports Fri Jun 01, 2018 02:17pm

Let's breakdown play for FED / NCAA
 
Durant beats a primary defender......LBJ moves to get legal guarding position.

It is Mauer ( lead official ) who takes LBJ as to whether he is legal or not as well as if the RA comes into play. At this point trail ( Brothers ) should be off play for the most part. unless there is a push in the back that L can't see. At the time of the collision neither official stops the clock (JD Collins will be beating on college officials about this in the fall) and we have a blarge. If either official stops the clock maybe this doesn't occur.

Summary - lead should take all secondary defenders at the basket / RA.

- stop the clock !!!!!

- trail official, if play goes away stay away !!!!


For whatever it is worth, I have a charge after watching a few times.

Also somewhere Scott Foster is saying let me work all seven games by myself and this would have never happened !!!!:D:D:D:eek::eek::eek:

Camron Rust Fri Jun 01, 2018 02:25pm

By NFHS/NCAA rules, Lebron had LGP. If it were in my game, this would be a charge. And it would be the L's call too. Trail shouldn't be on that unless the L doesn't.

thedewed Fri Jun 01, 2018 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1022067)
This is so wrong that it doesn't even warrant a response. And if you're going to criticize an official, try spelling his name right.

what are you talking about? Kenny whatever his name is, the only way he can go to the monitor is if he has doubt on the RA in that situation. they abused, i.e. didn't follow, the rule. there is no question about that.

another glaring error was with 6 to go, LJ got stripped by getting hit on the forearm with the ball high. when the ball doesn't go the same direction as the force of the reach, you can be confident it was on the arm, not the ball. similar to when a dribbler misses the dribble completely in some traffic. his arm got hit, the ball didn't.

I think it was a charge, a player is allowed to brace for the contact as he is steamrolled. LJ was there in plenty of time, with both feet down and no longer moving forward, and if he then twists a hair in bracing for the contact, or the trailing foot catches up to the body a bit, particularly when moving AWAY from the drive, not towards, that's a charge. could swing the series. it was close enough that it is excusable to call a block rather than a charge, but given the rule on when you can go to the monitor, and LJ set up at least a foot outside, that is inexcusable. The NBA guys are clearly the best in the world , but that was botched.

TopicalTropical Fri Jun 01, 2018 06:06pm

Sorry, I did not see the game so I'm not sure about this. I saw the replay and it was a close call

What did they do after? Did the 3 huddle and come to a decision? Did they go to the monitor and change the call or did the replay center?
Personally, if I was an NBA ref and there was a blarge situation I do not think you involve the third ref at all. It should go to replay center and have them make the call. I hope for situations like that they have the audio off so they are not influenced by tv commentators, and have one or three replay refs make a quick review.

TopicalTropical Fri Jun 01, 2018 06:13pm

I just saw this. The thing about the FT violation amuses me. There are so many violations with FTs. Also, I know it is playoffs but the allowances for illegal screens and holding has gone way up. Especially in the Rockets-Warriors series. I think the NBA and the refs want to let things go more as best of 7 series can really grind plus all the ads, but it is not consistent with the regular season.

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RefLarry Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:51pm

The lead was correct. The play should have been called a charge.

Rich Sat Jun 02, 2018 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by RefLarry (Post 1022096)
The lead was correct. The play should have been called a charge.



The league said it's a block, therefore it is.


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Jay R Sat Jun 02, 2018 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by RefLarry (Post 1022096)
The lead was correct. The play should have been called a charge.

Well the lead went to replay and decided to overturn his own call.


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