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Interesting article:
Revolution Interrupted: Why Has the NBA's Effort to Hire Female Refs Stalled? | Bleacher Report

"But it's not hard to conclude that the salary differential among officials contributes directly to the gender pay gap and, likely, to the marginalization of women off the court."

See, it's sentences like these that show the bias of the journalist. WNBA officials get paid less because the WNBA can't afford to pay them more. They can't afford to pay them more because people don't watch the WNBA as much as the WNBA, so advertisers don't buy ad time at a premium cost. Why don't people watch? Because it's not as exciting as the NBA? I don't know, I don't watch the NBA.

If we are going down the path of under represented groups, why not point out the fact that half the NBA staff is black and the other half white? Where are the Asians and Hispanics?

Hell, Palmer answered the question when she pointed out that you can make better money with less headaches by sticking to the NCAA.

The only true sexism I see is NCAAM, where being a women means you won't make it. At all. Holtkamp did an interview where she was told by a supervisor that he wouldn't hire her to do Men's College. Why not use that quote? And at the HS level where a woman working a Boy's game is infrequent enough to merit a double-take. Yet that's in all sports here in NoVA.

Here is my question. Does the NBA have many women's officials qualified to work the NBA? Because if they are not working the G-League or any other major Men's basketball level, do you have anyone available to pick up? Now that problem might stem from the fact that women do not get many opportunities in college or high school at all and never go that route, but how do you get women getting certain opportunities if they never go in that direction?

Peace

Classic "chicken or egg--which came first?" type of issue. I've seen here in Kansas where female refs who do boys games are trippared with 2 men and seldom 1 other woman. I have spoke with female ref colleagues and they have expressed that issues like separate changing rooms, issues of seniority, and availability come into play [no pun intended]. I for one, whenever I get paired with a female, I am very stern with the coaches and anyone who tries to de-credit their officiating acumen.

The same faces showing up in the Women's Final for the last 20 years indicates to me that the college ranks are not doing a good job of developing talent.

Maybe it is time to integrate the men's and women's staffs, train them together, and have all basketball officials get experience working both genders ;). In that case, women's officials might benefit from the apparently superior training that the men's officials are getting. If HS and NBA officials can work both genders, there is no reason why it is not possible in college. Perhaps J.D. Collins can get women's officials to stop the clock as consistently as the men's officials do ;).

With integrated staffs, women will be more likely to advance in NCAAM basketball to a level on par with men. Perhaps then the Case of the Missing Female Officials can be solved :).

This is a pretty good point, I think there is a period of time where officials are in there "prime" so you see them year in and year out for a span of time. What is the longest stretch of time a mens official appeared in final fours?

The women don't have to stop the clock on out of bounds plays. You'll find that mechanically the NCAA Women's side is more in tune with NBA.

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Perhaps the women can get the men to eliminate the unnecessary stop clock mechanic?

Yes please.

JD, the hand doesn't stop the clock. The whistle does. Never had a clockkeeper stop the clock when I threw my hand in the air.

20 years? Dee Kantner has worked the Final Four every year (except her NBA years) since 1992.

They could keep people like Kantner home every other year and identify people who would do just as good of a job. They don't, however.

justacoach oversees a crew of officials who are working on changing that. ;)

To answer your question - getting hired into and groomed in the G-League over the past 3-4 years.

I work on college staffs with at least 4 such individuals, 3 of whom are related, and all of whom are young, in-shape, and hungry.

16 of 62 on the G League staff are women, as of my quick count.
https://www.referee.com/2017-18-nati...league-roster/

I would assume that everyone on the G-League staff is not qualified to make the jump, including most of the men. My understanding you are being groomed to make the jump when on the staff but not necessarily ready to work NBA games anytime soon. And unless they are firing officials or major retirements they are not going to be picking up anyone in great numbers. They have hired people from the WNBA Staff who are a combination of NCAA officials and G-League officials in recent years. Also, I would assume that some of those G-League staff work NBA Summer stuff as well but not sure how that gets you to the NBA staff directly.

The path comes from many angles I have been told, at least in the last few years.

Peace

Everybody on the roster works Summer League, including the new officials. G-League is always the first stop - for some, WNBA is next, then NBA. For some, WNBA is the last stop. For some, they skip WNBA. Historically, the league has hired you from 3-6 years and if you aren't ready to make the jump, you are fired.

Soon, the league (supposedly) is going to have people being hired as full time G-League officials that will never make the jump, along with people still being groomed.

Well, thanks for the further information. I know they have hired from multiple sources.

Peace

Will people accept being only a minor-league referee? Will the G-League pay enough to keep people from going to the NCAA? Hell, what does a G-League ref make now? Is it per game or is it salary?

I have a friend who gave up his college schedule b/c his G-League schedule is so extensive. But he is also on the non-Staff NBA roster for this season, but I think that only got him around 5-10 NBA games.

I have another friend who was in a similar position but kept his college schedule.

Yes, people will gladly accept it. Lowest tier pays $1200/game, mid $1700, high $2200. A full-time official in this model would work 50+ games Nov-late March, make minimum $60k, and have all travel/perdiem/lodging paid. Easy choice.

Damn, that's pretty good for a minor league. I was thinking they were treated like the cats in the MiLB. The best guys there top out at $3900 a month during the season.

Por favor, Señor¿

Never have I seen a post replete with so much misinformation.

You're talking out of your hat:)

Some of the info is from George, some is from crew chiefs in the G. If that's misinformation, I guess I'm misinformed. :confused:

I believe justacoach has some pretty reliable sources.

Meh, I think I have posted some rule question/answers that were far more incorrect ;)

The problems with these type of articles is that they promote a form of affirmative action. Right now the NBA and college are typically white guys, are there women held back because its a good old boy club no? but this article will make you think so. What happens is if the article or movement gains steam into mainstream media the NBA is now almost forced to hire women refs to make people happy. How would you like to work hard to make it as a NBA ref only to lose out to a less qualified woman. I believe in things being equal and women having the same chances as men but not to meet a demand. The best person should always win

Officials have been losing out opportunities to less qualified folks of a different demographic for quite a while. This wouldn't be the start of some new trend.

Exactly. Just look at women's college basketball and how quickly the average female goes up the ladder compared to the average male. And how often a female that is clearly inferior to other prospective male candidates will be picked up because "she can be trained."

And I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it is reality; it's the women's game. After all, you never see females working men's college despite the fact that there are probably plenty of women who are more qualified than many of the men that are on the men's side.

What about male officials that have lost opportunities to less qualified male officials? That happens all the time.

Peace

That's different. ;)

Gotcha, because it involves them. ;)

Peace